Hacker group releases '9/11 Papers', says future leaks will 'burn down' US deep state

Rroff said:
I'm 99% certain that there has been (high level) covering up for incompetence and malpractice, etc. that would have otherwise come to light due to 9/11 which is fuelling conspiracy theories where the explanation is far more mundane though still worrying (in terms of things like intelligence failings, building and maintenance i.e. not upto standard and so on).
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Of course, lots of stuff we don't know, but to turn that into no plane crashed into the Pentagon is preposterous but still they perpetuate it. I won't listen to that because I do know better and them telling me I am a sheep from their bedroom is laughable. It is so often loaners who's only source is people like them, not like in my case a friend who saw the plane go in. I know who I believe.
 
Housey said:
Of course, lots of stuff we don't know, but to turn that into no plane crashed into the Pentagon is preposterous but still they perpetuate it. I won't listen to that because I do know better and them telling me I am a sheep from their bedroom is laughable. It is so often loaners who's only source is people like them, not like in my case a friend who saw the plan go in. I know who I believe.
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Nobody in this thread said no plane crashed in the Pentagon, I only asked why there isn't better footage

The problem with you is you're seeing what you want to see (ironically like a Conspiracy Theorist) and not actually reading what's been written
 
Minusorange said:
Nobody in this thread said no plane crashed in the Pentagon, I only asked why there isn't better footage

The problem with you is you're seeing what you want to see (ironically like a Conspiracy Theorist) and not actually reading what's been written
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And you seem unable to understand context and example. I know, you contemplate what others you don't really know or can validate tell you. That is the difference.
 
Housey said:
And you seem unable to understand context and example. I know, you contemplate what others you don't really know or can validate tell you. That is the difference.
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No I just ask questions which any rational person would do when they encounter things they don't understand and have limited information and want to increase that information to form an educated opinion

But people like you label everyone who doesn't just shut up and accept what they're told from momma guvment as a conspiracy theorist when there's a massive void between people asking questions and those claiming the aircraft were holograms or the WTC was demolished by nukes or some other bat **** crazy theory that makes even less sense than what actually happened

You're as ignorant as those wild conspiracy theorists
 
Minusorange said:
No I just ask questions which any rational person would do when they encounter things they don't understand and have limited information and want to increase that information to form an educated opinion

But people like you label everyone who doesn't just shut up and accept what they're told from momma guvment as a conspiracy theorist when there's a massive void between people asking questions and those claiming the aircraft were holograms or the WTC was demolished by nukes or some other bat **** crazy theory that makes even less sense than what actually happened

You're as ignorant as those wild conspiracy theorists
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To my point above.
 
Housey said:
Of course, lots of stuff we don't know, but to turn that into no plane crashed into the Pentagon is preposterous but still they perpetuate it. I won't listen to that because I do know better and them telling me I am a sheep from their bedroom is laughable. It is so often loaners who's only source is people like them, not like in my case a friend who saw the plane go in. I know who I believe.
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I was on voice comms with a guy from my Quake 3 clan who lived probably around 1km away and saw the second plane from his apartment quite clearly. There is a video (quite high quality compared to most) from approx. the next building over from where he lived shot above the streets with all the smoke/debris below which basically gives his perspective of the day but I can't find it off the top of my head.

EDIT: Not the same video but "WTC Tower 1 spire falls, cloud ensues, gunshots heard" (swearing in the video) has the same kind of perspective.
 
D3K said:
I knew it was an inside job as seen as I saw the towers crumble perfectly vertically, controlled explosions on every floor.

But idgaf if it was or wasn't. What will anyone ever do about it?

Worse than conspiracy theorists are people who simply bury their head in the sand in light of some of the most damning evidence around. Watch the Zeitgeist video for samples.
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lol

Here have a read, might answer some of your misunderstandings... in fact there's a page specifically about this "free fall" crap "truthers" love to bring up http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

My favourite though has to be the "a missle struck the pentagon" "wheres the plane debris!?!?!"

You can google "pentagon plane debris" and get a wide range of pictures of pieces of the plane :confused:
 
One day people will look back and wonder how anyone could believe the official version of 9/11.

The earth being flat, the sun revolving around the earth, smoking being good for you etc. It's all universally accepted as right, until it's wrong.
 
dowie said:
What in particular do you think is wrong?
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Lots, but see here if you want examples from those better qualified than me.

My favourite though is that the infernos were hot enough to melt steel, yet a passport (of one of the terrorists, no less :D) was found near the scene. Even the Guardian in the UK couldn't hide their disbelief at that.

The problem is many people are unwilling to believe anything that isn't the official story. Unless you're in Germany, where lots of people don't believe the official version.

Many in the US refuse/d to believe their own Government would plan to kill its own citizens, then operation Northwoods was made public some 30+ years later.
 
@Housey should listen to you more. People really don't want to acknowledge facts.

However, for the brokebrains; ref unburned items - approximate temperature to reduce human body to ash in a crematorium oven is about 950 degrees.
Spontaneous human combustion reduced this poor lady to ash.

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What do you notice? That's right, some parts of her body are completely untouched as are the surrounding items of furniture (not even smoke damage to the toilet!) and her shoe despite being subjected to localised temperatures of over 950 degrees.

Now what does this tell you? That heat sources, even extreme heat, can be localised. Also see my posts above ref steel not being melted.
 
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