New Star Trek series - 2017

I'm sorry but star trek really isn't the pinnacle of sci-fi story telling or even top quality.

Good Star Trek is. But when you've aired (pre-STD) 79 episodes of the original series, and 22 episodes of the animated series, and 178 episodes of TNG, and 176 episodes of DS9, and 172 episodes of Voyager, and 98 episodes of Enterprise, and made 13 films...you're gonna have a bunch of stuff that's filler, or didn't quite work out due to external factors, or was just plain bad.

Season 1 of STD hit all three of those points - some stuff was to fill in a hole in the schedule while the story got back on track, a lot of stuff was hurt by the chopping and changing behind the scenes, and some stuff just didn't work at all because the writing was utter trash. Compare it to the oft-derided first season of TNG - that show had episodes like "The Big Goodbye", "11001001", "Heart of Glory", "Where No Man...", stuff that broke out of the box of the original series and laid the groundwork for TNG to become a truly great show.

STD? Nothing of any lasting consequence happened in the first season. Bonehead loses her commission, gets it back by Mary Sue-ing all over the shop in the season finale at the cost of making the Federation look like genocidal maniacs that have to be set back on the right path by The One True Saviour And Light Of The Galaxy™. That same Federation who a few years from then in-story will in fact show no sign of ever being the same organisation that tried to blow up the Klingon homeworld. Meanwhile Lorca wasn't really Lorca all along, he was Mirror Lorca. Because of course there's nothing that audiences love more than a deeply obvious plot twist telegraphed well in advance. No-one learned anything, no-one really did anything. It was 15 episodes of pointlessness.

I like the fact we have different Klingons.

Why?

Seriously though. Why did the showrunners need to make the Klingons look so different to what had gone before? Why did they need to make them act nothing like they did before? And then why did they go ahead and change at least one of them again for the second season? Mary Chieffo's makeup for L'Rell - there's no good in-story reason that lets you rationalise them pretty radically altering the shape of her skull in the time period between the end of the first season and when she re-appears in season 2! It's not like Worf's forehead ridges altering slightly as makeup techniques improved - here they quite literally took about 30% of the total volume off her head, giving her a shape closer to the Klingons of the TNG era. Still got four nostrils though...

Oh, and while I'm on the subject of L'Rell - what happened to the big Push This To End The World Button™ that she was given (
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) at the end of season 1? Because it sure didn't look like she has it any more with the way Kol-Sha went about trying to get rid of her. Did Kol-Sha not care that L'Rell could blow up the world? Did the writers forget? Did they simply not care? Who knows

I must say, I like how you can blithely say "yes, there were some stupid bits in it" like it's no big deal that STD's own internal continuity is out to lunch (let alone with that of the rest of Trek canon), the main character is a Mary Sue and nothing makes a shred of sense. It's a fascinating character study in how people can convince themselves that something shiny and new must be good :p:D

Funny thing is, I'm still at least slightly optimistic about the remainder of this season. Anson Mount is great as Pike, and hopefully Tig Notaro comes back as Reno in more episodes. Doug Jones' Saru is much improved from where he started out the series. But good God do they need to sort out some stuff. Lose the Section 31 rubbish off to it's own show, leave the Klingons alone for a while, get back to Trek being a hopeful look towards a future of exploring the galaxy.
 
Season 1: "The klingons look terrible, why did they change them?"
Season 2: "The klingons look terrible, why did they change them?"

Coming soon to season 3...." The klingons look terrible ....." :p


At least they look better than series one. I dont think the S2 change is ever going to be explained by story - they screwed them up with the launch of STD. Plain and simple.
 
I'm sorry but star trek really isn't the pinnacle of sci-fi story telling or even top quality. We have been re-watching TNG and a lot of the episodes are trash. Utter trash.

I really like the new Star Trek and thank god they haven't stuck to the same formula of some of the old star treks and that they have updated things. I like the fact we have different Klingons. Perhaps I'm not the most hard core trekkie but I have seen probably 80%+ of all star trek that has ever hit the TV or film and I like Discovery.

I didn't have as much of an issue with the last episode as many of you but yes, there were some stupid bits in it.

Looking back at the old TNG and TOS series, STD is far better. I just watched the TNG honest trailer, made me chuckle :D
 
Season 1: "The klingons look terrible, why did they change them?"
Season 2: "The klingons look terrible, why did they change them?"

Coming soon to season 3...." The klingons look terrible ....." :p


At least they look better than series one. I dont think the S2 change is ever going to be explained by story - they screwed them up with the launch of STD. Plain and simple.
They did explain it though.

Klingons only shave their body hair when at war. So now they aren't at war they grow their hair.

Lame made up explanation. But at least they are trying to fix the issues. Same goes for the Klingon ships. We saw a hologram for a D7 so they are getting back to canon,
 
They did explain it though.

Klingons only shave their body hair when at war. So now they aren't at war they grow their hair.

Lame made up explanation. But at least they are trying to fix the issues. Same goes for the Klingon ships. We saw a hologram for a D7 so they are getting back to canon,

That doesnt explain the cranial changes in any way what so ever.

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I should imagine the L'Rell thing is similar to Delenn in B5, a damned sight easier, and more comfortable for the actress and the makeup team to give hair and a bit of prosthesis rather than a full head get up...

The hair thing has been explained away, the physical changes, not at all...
 
I think I have finally worked out why I dont like Burnham (and no it isnt because she is female). To be fair, it may actually not be the fault of the actress, it may be that she is directed to be this way, but what bugs me about her is the way that 90% of what she says is said in a whisper. I dont know if its supposed to make it more dramatic but I just find it annoying, I sit and watch and think, god Burnham, just speak normally will you.
 
I think I have finally worked out why I dont like Burnham (and no it isnt because she is female). To be fair, it may actually not be the fault of the actress, it may be that she is directed to be this way, but what bugs me about her is the way that 90% of what she says is said in a whisper. I dont know if its supposed to make it more dramatic but I just find it annoying, I sit and watch and think, god Burnham, just speak normally will you.

IMO it's 100% the way that the character is written and directed. SMG is a good actress. Bonehead is a terrible, terrible character. A problem that's exacerbated by the series being desperate to focus on her as The One True Light And Saviour Of All That Is Good™ :rolleyes:

Y'know how Voyager got for a while, focusing on Seven to the point where the only way that the story got anywhere near Chakotay - the God-damned first officer - was to have her date a holodeck-generated version of him? Yeah. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it...
 
IMO it's 100% the way that the character is written and directed. SMG is a good actress. Bonehead is a terrible, terrible character. A problem that's exacerbated by the series being desperate to focus on her as The One True Light And Saviour Of All That Is Good™ :rolleyes:

Y'know how Voyager got for a while, focusing on Seven to the point where the only way that the story got anywhere near Chakotay - the God-damned first officer - was to have her date a holodeck-generated version of him? Yeah. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

STD has little in the way of other interesting characters. It wasn't designed as an ensemble, so despite Lorca and Pike being the breakout characters, there's very few other ways they can go if they want to lessen the focus on Mary-Sue Burnham. There's Stamets, Tilly/Wesley, and Saru, and the last two seem to have already been rejected by the fans. By focussing on Burnham, they are severely restricting the stories the can tell, and the characters/relationships that are rounded and might become interesting to the fans.

Where are the Seven-of-Nines, the Doctor, Data, etc? The breakout characters that the fans love? Nowhere, and I think it shows that the showrunners really don't understand Trek. Even the Bad Robot reboots understood that at the core was the main characters and the relationships between them, and how they had to be likeable or admirable for the fans to connect to them.
 
Discovery is selfish, it reminds me a lot of Heroes but in space where the long term story arc and collision of character is the aim, but they are all dealing with their own personal issues or ignored it's frustrating to watch and not much actually goes on.

Seeing the story from the view of Lt.Cmdr would have been fine IF the character actually wanted to interact with the rest of the crew! Instead she pallies up with dark characters which also don't want to make friends and deals with other emotional issues without the support of the rest of the crew.

Tilly dealing with SCIENCE and command training by herself. Where's the rest of engineering or her interacting with her class?
No bridge meetings? All seems a bit one on one. Use the ready room and discuss issues, get character interaction!
Spore engineer dude had partner killed off early, again dealing with issues alone.
Beanstalk? Alone
Robot and eyegirl? lots of camera time but we know nothing about them, get them involved!
Get sickbay active again! That engineer from the stranded ship seemed ideal to add a bit of character to a sickbay.

Should rename it to Star Trek Sulking, there's no discovery.

Watching DS9 S01 feels fresh compared to this, so much chemistry already and it's only a third of the way through the first season on TV. Bonehead should have been Kira, instead we get Jake Sisko as the focus.
 
Episode 3 felt a bit flat after episode 2 (of season 2) - where it felt like the show was progressing forward only to have a strange filler. Hope this Friday's is better.

And I do find the lack of any major focus on the Doctor/sickbay kind of strange - every other series had iconic characters - McCoy, Crusher/Pulaski, Bashir, The Doctor...
Here we had
whatshisname killed, which was a shame when I thought the character had potential to develop, and further develop Stamets too
but now we have some random person and Stamets seems to have been written into a corner with no scope for progression - dunno if they plan for him to leave, but feels weird at the moment.

I do like season 2's interaction with the bridge crew - nice to get to know other characters. And Pike is carrying this whole thing with his quality.

Must admit though
I'm really not liking the direction this is going with Spock etc - why can't they leave established characters alone and make new original characters instead of trying to give some "new/edgy" perspective to then...
The only way I can see Discovery getting written out is spore drive into a different time - maybe the future, and mind wipe Sarek et al so they never knew Michael existed. Nothing else makes any sense in terms of linking with all the other series otherwise.
 
whatshisname killed, which was a shame when I thought the character had potential to develop, and further develop Stamets too
but now we have some random person and Stamets seems to have been written into a corner with no scope for progression - dunno if they plan for him to leave, but feels weird at the moment.

Dr. Culber is a main character in season 2. You havent seen the last of him or Stamets's development....
 
I know it must be by design but why is the entire bridge female of sorts, I include Saru in that cos he's a total pussy bitch too.
There isn't a single "male not gay character in this series except Pike now... lol

This completely doesn't bother me other than the lengths they must have gone to engineer it so.
 
tbh, I dont care what species, gender or race a character is, as long as they are a valid addition to the crew, while TV execs have diversity and all that crap tick boxes to aim for, Star Fleet dont, people should be there who can do the job and by the time Trek is base don we should have grown out of all of that crap...
 
Not so impressed with this series.
I don't care about the facial ridge lack of consistency, they obviously made a mistake, who cares. Doesn't really make a difference.

But I dont really like any of the characters. I actual liked lorca.
This one feels too cheesy. I really find pike bland. I don't like Burnham.

The story line feels stupid. It doesn't make sense. Its like the matrix 3.

I guess I just dont care much for it. First series was better but spore drive is silly. It makes the whole vastness of space moot.

Edit.. The whole spock thing is stupid. Really, just make another timeline and dont shoehorn in old characters
 
Dr. Culber is a main character in season 2. You havent seen the last of him or Stamets's development....
When does that happen? I guess more of the show has aired in the US? Thanks for sharing that, good to know they haven't left these characters out to dry. Looking forward to episode 4 tomorrow.
 
When does that happen? I guess more of the show has aired in the US? Thanks for sharing that, good to know they haven't left these characters out to dry. Looking forward to episode 4 tomorrow.

Unsure but that was announced when Culberts death was aired so it's been planned from the beginning :)
 
Unsure but that was announced when
Culberts death
was aired so it's been planned from the beginning :)
Ah I see, haven't looked at any news around the show, hmm now that gives some more speculation as to where the plot is going
especially with these red angel things and the emphasis on something either alien/supernatural but benevolent
 
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