Ahh sorry dude just read back like a few pages. Honestly I had no intention of joining in but only saw half the picture in what I read. The card is what it is though, for people who have had 1080ti gaming performance and are looking at this as a gaming card it's probably going to be an underwhelming card. For those of us at 4k and that use opencl compute etc then its not bad.
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Radeon VII a win or fail?
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Ahh sorry dude just read back like a few pages. Honestly I had no intention of joining in but only saw half the picture in what I read. The card is what it is though, for people who have had 1080ti gaming performance and are looking at this as a gaming card it's probably going to be an underwhelming card. For those of us at 4k and that use opencl compute etc then its not bad.
Amen. Or buy used.
Maybe people are, a quick look in the shop show that even with the only about 100 stock at launch there is still over 27 in stock right now.
The depressing thing is that the Radeon VII has made the the 2080 look like a good proposition.
My brief read of a review lead me to this conclusion as well, power consumption looked poor as well.
I don't think we will know for sure how good a card it really is for at least 3-6 months once we have seen a bit more driver maturity. I also expect that once the first lot of chips run through we are going to start to see cards that can be flashed to use the full 64 CUs which will boost performance further, assuming current cards can't.
To me it feels a bit too niche, if you are a semi-pro then this year you are going to be able to run a 7nm Threadripper and Vega VII, that is going to be one heck of a setup. It also seems that either AMD have possibly scored an own goal on the cooling, these cards seem to be running way to hot - until someone fits a waterblock or other aftermarket cooling we wont know if it is the chip design or cooling causing it - but still it is disappointing.
It is going to be really interesting to see what happens to comparative performance with the 2080 as well, historically we have had 'Fine Wine' but in this instance as developers get better at coding for RTX it could potentially go the other way.
I think Nvidia have failed here, by setting their pricing so high they have enabled AMD to release a Pro card to the consumer market and still be within touching distance of Nvidia.
As a product I think it is going to be amazing for the niche that can properly utilize it, but a bit Meh for those that can't.
To me it feels a bit too niche, if you are a semi-pro then this year you are going to be able to run a 7nm Threadripper and Vega VII, that is going to be one heck of a setup. It also seems that either AMD have possibly scored an own goal on the cooling, these cards seem to be running way to hot - until someone fits a waterblock or other aftermarket cooling we wont know if it is the chip design or cooling causing it - but still it is disappointing.
It is going to be really interesting to see what happens to comparative performance with the 2080 as well, historically we have had 'Fine Wine' but in this instance as developers get better at coding for RTX it could potentially go the other way.
I think Nvidia have failed here, by setting their pricing so high they have enabled AMD to release a Pro card to the consumer market and still be within touching distance of Nvidia.
As a product I think it is going to be amazing for the niche that can properly utilize it, but a bit Meh for those that can't.
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The price makes the 2080 niche as well though. You'd have to be one hell of a dedicated gamer.
My bias? Ok, let's see techpowerup's bias. You have 13 cards and 10 cards are nvidia's.
You are missing RX 580, RX 570, RX 590... https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_VII/32.html
Fan noise can be easily controlled via Radeon Settings.
Power consumption can be easily controlled via reduction of the core voltage.
Come again with the bias plot.
Who's realistically gonna have one in 5 years?
Keep also in mind 7nm is here to stay for very long. What you think is a mediocre card, could very well be the top dog for quite a while.
In 5 years, we could get the first generation on the next process shrink, if we are lucky.
So, the card is not bad. Again saying check the reality again.
I don't think its a mediocre card, it's not bad but at the same time it could have been a bit more than it was. Whether or not drivers will bump performance remains to be seen as it's essentially just Vega with more ram. At least they could address the sound profile as 2900/3000 rpm is just ludicrous.
At what cost to performance and stability though? Radeon Chill throttles performance. If it was that easy wouldn’t AMD engineers have given if a better default power profile and fan curve?
It could well be the top dog in AMD’s line-up for some time. But Nvidia already beat it on performance and power usage at 12nm. Just imagine how that will compare when Nvidia release 7nm in 2020.
Yeah £180 to £300, if your dropping half the cost of a console on just the GPU..... once you add in all the other bits, its still cheaper to buy a console... PC gaming overall has become an expensive hobby. For most casual gamers now, its just cost prohibitive and much cheaper to buy a console, sub to something like Gamepass and be done with it.
As I've said before AMD hasn't yet implemented an optimised design on 7nm - this is little more than the equivalent of an optical shrink with tolerances relaxed to ensure it works. What will be interesting is when both AMD and nVidia start implementing designs that have been developed with 7nm in mind.
Though contrary to the claims of some that are just perpetuating the same misinformation posted in certain pro-AMD echo chambers TSMC 7nm has targetted all market segments with their initial 7nm release it isn't just the base low power they have HPC, etc. as well and while subsequent revisions including 7nm with EUV are ramping which should see significant improvements as the node matures the current offerings are sufficient for bigger GPUs as well.
I am not talking Radeon Chill which is framerate limiter. I am talking about giving normal voltage to the core. You must see the difference.
AMD engineers over-engineered the fan curve.
nvidia won't release in 2020 anything faster than 2080 Ti that is already 754 sq. mm.
Vega 20 is only 331 sq. mm.
The current 7nm process is suitable but the massively increased costs means that yields have to be higher than previous processes. Vega20 for instinct makes sense because the huge margins absorb losses from even a reasonable yield. For more mainstream GPU the process is not mature enough yet. No doubt why Navi is delayed until Q4
Vega 20 is a low-volume product, hence it can be released. Ryzen 3000 and Navi cards are not low volume products, so they will wait for manufacturing equipment to be installed.
If you could easily and reliable drop the voltage and fan across all cards wouldn't AMD have shipped them like that? You really think they just dialed everything up to the max and QA said yeah that's fine just ship it, let the customers live with it or try to fix it. The following from the Tom's Hardware review:
"we approached AMD about our findings and were told that this behavior is intended. Although Radeon VII exhibits similar maximum-load acoustic performance as the reference Radeon RX Vega 64, that quick ramp from idle to 2,900 RPM explains why the new card seems so much louder. Again, the proposed solution is a manual adjustment in WattMan. Unfortunately, any attempt to relax Radeon VII's ability to cool itself off is going to cost you sustainable clock rates, negatively affecting performance."
You must have some really good industry sources to be so certain. We are talking Nvidia here, I think it far more likely that they will release a faster card during 2020. That will after all be two years since the release of the 2080 Ti. Historically, they release just before AMD catch up with the previous generation.
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nvidia is about to be screwed big. 2 years after 2080 Ti release is end of 2020. And if they want to beat its performance, they must look after very large dies which will cause very expensive cards which will cause few sales.
Because they just like making them look bad?
Surely just a die-shrink to 7nm, as AMD have done, is the first step for faster/smaller? Sure the Ti cards will be horribly expensive, people will still buy them though. I see the Radeon VII is still in stock even with the pitiful launch stock levels.