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So are we assuming that prices are basically going to be a direct conversion from US dollar to GBP? Hopefully we get some confirmation on that and motherboard pricing fairly soon.
If that is the case then buy elsewhere. It will be cheaper to import it yourself. Even including tax and duty.
 
On the subject of RAM, I would like 32gb for my Zen2 build. Is 4x8gb better or 2x16gb? There's a significant lack of 2x16gb kits on ocuk.
 
2x 16GB for a dual channel system. OC's better on dual, though the denser memory doesn't always OC as well.
 
2x 16GB for a dual channel system. OC's better on dual, though the denser memory doesn't always OC as well.

Thanks. I'm not going to worry too much about a memory OC, just want to get something decent enough. I don't feel the need to spend £350+ on 8pack memory.
 
Good die and timings are always a good thing. How much it'll affect Ryzen 3000 we don't know yet. Hopefully someone will do a detailed test of the memory with Ryzen 3000 on launch.
 
What's underwhelming is you can buy a 8 core 16 thread CPU from AMD today for what ~£200 today. We're moving to 7nm, double the transistor density, 8 core/16 thread should be dropping in cost. 7nm costs more per mm^2...

...Going from a £200 2700 8core 16 thread chip to a £300 8 core 16 thread chip when the production cost is significantly lower is incredibly underwhelming and exceptionally disappointing.
New process technology leads to massively higher transistor counts being able to be produced at the same price.

If Zen 2 was on 14nm alone and die size had increased from 200 to 300mm^2, then a price increase would make sense. When a 12 core Zen 2 should cost less to produce than a 8 core Zen 1.... then no, that is a bad price.

8 core Zen 2 should cost less than 8 core Zen 1 or Zen +, because manufacturing makes that true, so the prices going up represent a fairly hefty increase in price. Due to the increase cost per mm^2, 12 cores should come in below 8 core 14nm pricing but not by much and 16 core should come in above, but not by miles. That's a fundamental fact of how die sizes effect costs and how much more you can fit on a new and improved node.

I dont know what you are smoking but dont offer it to others. 14nm vs 7nm waffer cost ~double, 14nm vs 7nm designing is multiple times more expensive, 14nm vs 7nm yields are much worse, Zen+ is 12nm 213mm die, Zen 2 prosessor is atleast 14nm ~130mm + 7nm 88mm die. Counting it all together how on earth making Zen 2 cpu would be cheaper than Zen or Zen+?

Nobody is ignoring the fact there will be cheaper ones.
People are annoyed because like for like boards have gone up a ton.
The exact same board from x470 to x570 has gone up a lot. Thats why people are annoyed. Rightfully so. I guess that little chipset fan is costing us £80 lol .

You dont need X570 and prices are going to go up because mobo manufacturers make premium models and especially pcie 4 lines are much much more expensive. I think it was gamersnexus that quoted 10x price for lane vs pcie3 and it was real dollars. More layers, more ports, bigger vrm, beefier cooling, it all adds up.

you could get a 5820k for 220 at one point. basically as fast as a 6 core amd chip thats going to cost you £200 now. 4 years ago.

yeah 5 years ago. so 5 years on from that launch amd is giving you a £200 six core thats basically the same speed. such bad pricing.what makes it worse is you gunna have spend atleast probably £400 on a cpu to upgrade now from that 5 year old cpu because of amds pricing scheme.
3600 is competing on gaming with 8700 and 5820k could not even win 1600 in non gaming bench, soooo..... :D


ah well looks normal amd self destruction
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* AMD processors comes with cpu cooler
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Sure son :rolleyes:
 
5820k used for gaming. not cinebench what we all buy cpus for lol. while you on about it just show them ryzen top gaming benchmarks in your video lol. you can even see overclocked the 5820k can compete with a 8700k in some games. can you say that about ryzen ? no.

only the newer cpus and in games from what we seen in the pubg benchmark they are about 8700 non k varient. so work that out. 5820k ocd speed LOLOLOLLOOL.
 
5820k used for gaming. not cinebench what we all buy cpus for lol. while you on about it just show them ryzen top gaming benchmarks in your video lol. you can even see overclocked the 5820k can compete with a 8700k in some games. can you say that about ryzen ? no.

only the newer cpus and in games from what we seen in the pubg benchmark they are about 8700 non k varient. so work that out. 5820k ocd speed LOLOLOLLOOL.
"Lol"... Like a 8700k can't overclock. Get over yourself with your faux magic.
 
P.s you were still wrong about the 8700. Still ignoring it dg. It is a shame you just can't be objective, which for a while I thought you were. Oh well.
 
So are we assuming that prices are basically going to be a direct conversion from US dollar to GBP? Hopefully we get some confirmation on that and motherboard pricing fairly soon.

il be honest im not sure with the whole tarrifs thing kicking in with trumpy so who knows.
 
dg > "hahahaah the best AMD can do now is match an 8700 in PUBG"

> "no that was the 3600"

dg > "hahaha 8700, not even the 9900k..."

> "no, that's the 3600 vs 8700, here are some rumored benchmarks that show a 6% lead for entry level Ryzen 3600 over the 8700"

dg > "lalalal hahah 8700 something pubg something amd havent got anything something something punctuation something"
 
Ignoring the bickering about what games is 3 FPS faster, at 14757809698 FPS or whatever crap people are arguing about that is pointless and getting back to things that actually matter...

Just been sorting a few potential candidate specifications for some of the higher end systems, and trialing the X570 chipset to see what it is capable of as a workstation or HEDT replacement for some of the aging X299 platforms currently in use on certain projects and it occurred to me;

Since the 3900X has the full compliment of 64MB L3 cache that a 16-core version does/will, maybe someone will find a way to unlock those extra cores with no performance detriment since the I/O die will be the same. Obviously it depends on how successful the 7nm production is and how many of the less than perfect die are floating around after being used in the 3600 and 3600X first, I can't imagine they are going to be low demand CPU's, so maybe even some of those will be able to be un-locked.

We might end up with the first 16-core AM4 CPU being an unofficial 12 core, and getting back to the good old days of modding and overclocking, I'm crossing my fingers. :D
 
dg > "hahahaah the best AMD can do now is match an 8700 in PUBG"

> "no that was the 3600"

dg > "hahaha 8700, not even the 9900k..."

> "no, that's the 3600 vs 8700, here are some rumored benchmarks that show a 6% lead for entry level Ryzen 3600 over the 8700"

dg > "lalalal hahah 8700 something pubg something amd havent got anything something something punctuation something"


His constant trolling seems to somehow fly under the radar for the most part...
 
We might end up with the first 16-core AM4 CPU being an unofficial 12 core, and getting back to the good old days of modding and overclocking, I'm crossing my fingers. :D

I think you’ll have to cross your fingers, toes, arms and legs, and still be out of luck. Wishful thinking sadly.
 
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