I think your spinning back at me the obvious, of course they didn't but I still say that its a failing that she was able to do this and that there wasn't a better choice to help her live.
17 year old girl allowed to kill herself Legally
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I think your spinning back at me the obvious, of course they didn't but I still say that its a failing that she was able to do this and that there wasn't a better choice to help her live.
She got help and support, from her family, the medical profession, the social services. None of it helped. I'll put this here again:
You think you know her situation better than her family, doctors and herself? The choice to end a life in this case was, and always would be a last resort.
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Perhaps not enough help or the right kind of help. Well they gave up on her, that's enough for me to say it is wrong.
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I wonder how the busy body "think of the children" posters feel now the truth is revealed that this girl starved herself to death, what a pleasant and humane way to die
It is a gift only in your opinion, I'd argue it's a curse that is forced upon us
Life is a curse?
I'm guessing you suffer from depression and hence you feel that way. Perhaps one day you will feel different.
How about all of us who have been through depression and recovered to live a happy life?
Same bloody thing just replace a needle for starvation.
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They let her have agency over her own body. Out of everything in this world, I believe that only I should have the right to decide what happens with me. If i'm not directly affecting someone else (such as being pregnant), why should anyone else have a say over what I do with my body?
I agree up to the point of affecting others or killing yourself.
Sorry, just can't accept suicide as legitimate. To me it is a waste of life and future. An unnatural end to existence.
Nothing to do with religion.
what kind of nonsense and arrogance is it to assume you know what's best for her? who the **** do you think you are? the fact you're dragging Nazi enforced killings into something that's based on a mentally stable person's free choice just reinforces my opinion of you. and dont' come that "if she wants to die she's not stable" bull****, she sounds a lot more coherent and level headed than you. what kind of sick entertainment would you get forcing a rape victim to live w/ those feelings?
If you genuinely believe life to be a curse I suggest you seek help. You could well be suffering from some form of depression or mental health. Seeing life as a curse is not a good thing.
What better choice? Sometimes you just reach the end of the road with treatment. There's nothing further to be done that doesn't make the situation worse. No matter how much you want to fix someone, how much you want them to come back and be the person the could be, or that they used to be, it just can't be done. You can talk about all the maybes, buts and ifs, but there comes a point where the only choice is between a dignified and peaceful ending, or a scared, fearful ending full of pain and suffering.
I've seen the latter with my close family more than once, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, not for them, and not for the family that loves them.
Anyway, it's been revealed that this didn't really happen that way, that the British press has embellished to the point where they might as well have made the whole story up. That explains why I couldn't find a source on the BBC website last night.
And if you have experienced depression or childhood abuse and come out the other side of it, then your perspective is more likely to be that we shouldn't be helping young people to end their life when you have personal experience that you can come out of it the other side and put your life back together.
At 17???
Yes. Again, what better treatment was there that she wasn't getting? There isn't a magic wand you can wave and fix people every single time, no matter how much we wish that was the case.
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Why is 'being alive' argued as a better state to 'being dead'?
A waste of life and a future, which then ends in a death? Nothing is really achieved in that time.......
Always seems to me people hold onto 'The good outweighs the bad', but if at the end of the day someone else said that it didn't for them, people seem to ignore that and believe that by their standards happy bits outweigh sad ones
A waste of life and a future, which then ends in a death? Nothing is really achieved in that time.......
Always seems to me people hold onto 'The good outweighs the bad', but if at the end of the day someone else said that it didn't for them, people seem to ignore that and believe that by their standards happy bits outweigh sad ones
First of all calm the **** down.
It's neither it's called empathy for another being, right now she was in a stage where her life was awful it doesn't mean she will always be like that.
Life changes, people change its never static or the same. Someone could have killed her mother and she might have wanted revenge and thus found something to live for.
Now I know that is dark but logically it is possible.
In war rape is used as a weapon, the survivors despite being scarred for life by such monstrous actions do often survive and live content lives.
It was a relevant example as they(Nazis) deemed such people not fit to live and certain people here are whether they see it or not making the same argument.
It's not hard to kill yourself if that's what you truly want. You can research drugs or effectively re-create what has been used by medical people for euthanasia on occasion with helium and a bag. Or take a slightly more painful ways out as well. The point is that active euthanasia encourages suicide. The argument that it's either the only option or that the other options are so risky or painful they cannot be considered, are both demonstrably false.
One has potential, the other does not. Fairly obvious, I should think.
You're being obtuse. Continued treatment and support. It's not a button that you press, find it didn't work say: "Well, 17's when people stop getting over things".