17 year old girl allowed to kill herself Legally

[Raz]

And when the earth is gone, and you weigh the contributions of you and the grain of sand.....
You both achieved nothing

Well that's cheerfully optimistic.

 

[Minusorange]

He said "genetically", not in memories.

That's even worse, it's basically saying our only purpose is to **** and die because.... no reason but inbuilt genetic programming, which isn't much of a purpose

 

[darkgen]

And when the earth is gone, and you weigh the contributions of you and the grain of sand.....
You both achieved nothing

Well that's cheerfully optimistic.

Existential nihilism; it is the only way.

I'm of the view a person can choose to take or give their own life to whatever and then whenever they wish. I agree 17 is young but it is all relative. It is was the end of her life.

 

[Randomface74]

I posted earlier calling this fake news and my post was deleted as "distasteful".
But it really is fake news. Here's my source: https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1136189899672084480
If you're really saying the truth is distasteful just delete this post too and I'll drop it.

 

[phonemonkey]

I'm in 2 minds. On the one hand, while I'm hugely in favour of assisted dying in cases of terminal illness where there is no prospect of recovery or continued quality of life its hard to see her mental health problems as being in that category. Recovery might be highly unlikely and her quality of life may be incredibly poor with little prospect of improving but recovery remains possible nonetheless and its hard to know when we 'allow' people to 'give up'. Far less clear cut then some one with late stage MND for example.

That said, I haven't lived this young persons life, haven't listened to her describe what has happened to her, how she feels, and the affects of the trauma she experienced had on her and I have no idea what treatment she received, what treatments (if any) remained available to her, and the likelihood of success of any potential treatments. Since the 2 doctors and other professionals involved all have much greater access to the answers to those questions than I do and she satisfied them, clearly there is far more to this individual case than there would be with most cases involving significant mental health problems.

Ultimately I think its increadibly sad, I hope it doesn't become common (both in terms of the level trauma experienced and in terms of its use as a 'treatment' for chronic mental health problems), and I hope that where ever she is now (if anywhere) she has a peace she was unable to find in life.

 

[Vexr]

I posted earlier calling this fake news and my post was deleted as "distasteful".
But it really is fake news. Here's my source: https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1136189899672084480
If you're really saying the truth is distasteful just delete this post too and I'll drop it.

I'm glad it's fake, euthanizing a healthy 17 year old sounds ridiculous to me, though looks like a surprising amount of people on this thread, believing this story, are of the 'good for her' mindset for some reason

 

[Scrutinize]

Given some of the views emerging from this and the recent pro-choice /abortion debates, it's not going to be long before this becomes more and more normal.

It is a deeply sad indictment of society where human life is no longer viewed as precious.

 

[RDM]

If you genuinely believe life to be a curse I suggest you seek help. You could well be suffering from some form of depression or mental health. Seeing life as a curse is not a good thing.

Seeing life as a gift is fairly naïve though. For some people it really isn't. For some people life is constant suffering, pretty rubbish gift...

 

[FoxEye]

Personal survival is the only point in life

Not sure where you get that from.

Even in the animal kingdom there are animals that sacrifice themselves to ensure their young survive.

Personally I don't really see any point in my life but that's another story

 

[Cleisthenes]

Not sure where you get that from.

Even in the animal kingdom there are animals that sacrifice themselves to ensure their young survive.

Personally I don't really see any point in my life but that's another story

Reproduce (unless you like corner sofas)

Oh and try and enjoy yourself whilst you're alive.

That's the lot

 

[Vexr]

KVORK Inc. - an OCUK community approved clinic.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Well that's cheerfully optimistic.

They have a point though

 

[wolfie138]

I'm glad it's fake, euthanizing a healthy 17 year old sounds ridiculous to me, though looks like a surprising amount of people on this thread, believing this story, are of the 'good for her' mindset for some reason

for reasons that have been more than adequately stated, so rolling your eyes just makes you look...well, you know.

 

[Minusorange]

I'm glad it's fake

You're glad she was denied a humane way of assisted dying and instead had to resort to starving herself to death ?

I like how ****** the moral compasses are for certain people, No you cannot kill yourself painlessly, you have to suffer a prolonged torturous death by starvation

 

[clubb699]

I am afraid its all down to how the person can cope, a counsellor my wife seen said some people cant cope that have been groped for instance, then on the other side of the coin some people are rapped multiple times and are ok and get on with there life, the option should be there if you want to end the suffering.

 

[Vexr]

You're glad she was denied a humane way of assisted dying and instead had to resort to starving herself to death ?

I like how ****** the moral compasses are for certain people, No you cannot kill yourself painlessly, you have to suffer a prolonged torturous death by starvation

Wow, partial quote and angry misrepresentation much? Shame for the girl (is she actually dead? I assumed that part of the story may also be fiction, but I'm obviously nowhere near as invested in this fake news story as some here).

However, I will reserve the right to be glad we don't have Soylent Green style assisted suicide clinics just yet, as daringly parodied in the Deus Ex 1 bulletin I posted above. Society is threatening to become dystopian enough as it is already.

 

[FoxEye]

Wow, partial quote and angry misrepresentation much? Shame for the girl (is she even dead? I assumed that part of the story may also be fiction, but I'm obviously nowhere near as invested in this fake news story as some here).

However, I will reserve the right to be glad we don't have Soylent Green style assisted suicide clinics just yet, as daringly parodied in the Deus Ex 1 bulletin I posted above. Society is threatening to become dystopian enough as it is already.

You'd rather people throw themselves under a bus, or off a cliff, once they've made the decision to end their lives?

 

[aardvark]

You're glad she was denied a humane way of assisted dying and instead had to resort to starving herself to death ?

I like how ****** the moral compasses are for certain people, No you cannot kill yourself painlessly, you have to suffer a prolonged torturous death by starvation

or maybe get her help and not kill her

 

[B&W]

Puberty starts in girls between 10 and 14 so I don't know where you get 16 from. That would be considered quite a late onset of puberty in girls. At 17 she was still a minor under Dutch law but that is not relevant as anyone from the age of 12 can be considered.

You have zero knowledge of what support she did or didn't get. Stop thinking you know better than her or her family and medical team.

The Nazi comment is frankly ridiculous and very offensive.


Where is your empathy for a person who is suffering every day? You have no idea of the psychological and physical pain she suffered from every day and while you try to claim you are the one that has the empathy your statement shows you don't, you just care on what your opinions are, not how she felt and wanted to do with her life.

Wow that is an insight into your mind. That living for revenge of a murdered parent would be better than dying to end a thoroughly miserable life. I'd rather take death thanks than suffering the pain of a murdered parent and then a life filled with a feelings of revenge. Can't think many worse reasons for living than revenge.

Comments like make me sick. You again like to claim you are a person with great empathy but clearly have zero understanding of what people who have been raped suffer. I know several women who have been raped, I had a girlfriend who was repeatedly raped as a child and at 30 years old she still suffered horrific PTSD that could be triggered by the smallest thing and she would revert to a child in terrible suffering. To my shame I couldn't cope with it and the relationship ended. She had been in therapy from 18 years of age, so 12 years and still she suffered, she is probably still suffering to this day if she hasn't ended her life. We completely lost touch after we broke up and she moved away. You should look up the suicide rates for abused children and the crime rates. To try and claim that people get over it and move on is a joke. Even those who might appear ok on the outside I would bet are still suffering the effects, you are just unaware of them. Stop trying to force your opinions on others. You don't know better than her family and her medical team. I applaud the Netherlands for their open minded view on these matters.

I meant puberty in general, she is near the end I know but still not fully developed into an adult.

She said she wanted her book to help vulnerable youngsters who struggle with life, saying that the Netherlands does not have specialised institutions or clinics where teenagers can go for psychological or physical aid.

Enough knowledge to say that there wasn't enough help for her and that's straight from her!

We, her parents, want her to choose the path of life. Noa really doesn't want to die at all. She only longs for peace,' Lisette said

So her mother is agreeing her daughter needed more help, not to die.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...l-17-legally-ends-life-euthanasia-clinic.html

Why is it so ridiculous? Ok, fair enough the nazis forced euthanasia and sterilisation and this is voluntary euthanasia so there is difference.

But the moral behind the euthanasia is still the same, that the person isn't fit for life.

I have been through depression as a teenager, so I know how it feels actually before you get on your moral high horse. Right now, I am happy in life and if I had done something silly at a young age I wouldn't have appreciated this happiness. Not to mention the harm on family it would have had.

It was an anecdote that somethings can motivate people to loose that depression and give some "meaning" to that individual's life.

So you would rather die then avenge the death of your loved ones? That speaks volumes about you and your morals.

I do not know how it feels like nor will I even pretend but I put it at the top of the worst crimes along with murder (the rapist should be castrated IMO and jailed significantly).

Unfortunately your ex still suffered from it, but I do believe many people have lived happy and fulfilling lifes inspite of rape.

See how you are forcing your opinions on others now?

At least what I believe does not sanction death for depressed teenagers. To me it is another example of the failure of modern society to integrate young vulnerable people into society and how "freedom of choice" is being exploited to perverse ends.

 

[FoxEye]

In order for her to have had "more help" they would have needed to force feed her to keep her alive. She starved herself to death. She had refused food many times before. On previous occasions they had force fed her.

So you are advocating continual force feeding and keeping her alive against her will in perpetuity...