The Guardian's Owen Jones attacked outside London pub in a premeditated assault.

Tefal · 18 Aug 2019 at 16:48

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Well, this one possibly. He could have been attacked for "being annoying" or more likely as stated he was attacked for being a prominent left-winger or for being gay. [/QUOTE]

So when gay Asian journalist was hospitalised with brain damage and chemical burns from a concrete milkshake (hey jo brand got her wish I guess on that one that the BBC still defend) by antifa why was that ok?

Terminal_Boy · 18 Aug 2019 at 17:05

StriderX said:
Has Jones done something bad, that's what your saying with this, so you must know.

He’s publicly supported physical force being used against supporters of different political groups before. If that was what happened here, he has zero sympathy coming.

Rroff · 18 Aug 2019 at 17:13

Newbie007 said:
He looks remarkably well for someone that took a beating, numerous kicks and punches to the head and not a scratch. I bet Andy Ngo wished he could take a battering as well as that.

Zefan said:
Although obviously assault is reprehensible, I can't help but think there's more to this. His explanation of the incident fits his agenda far too well for me to believe it without more information.

This is what I find interesting - when one of my relative's partner was subjected to an attack like that they had bruising on their face, damaged lip, etc. (and later had to have some teeth replaced with implants) and someone like Owen would be the first to plaster images of that all over the news if it had happened.

dowie · 18 Aug 2019 at 17:22

He probably just got knocked to the ground and only a couple of kicks actually landing due to his mates getting involved. The sort of pub fight scenario that happens regularly thanks to drunk idiots and is quickly split up.

ltron · 18 Aug 2019 at 17:41

Tefal said:
So when gay Asian journalist was hospitalised with brain damage and chemical burns from a concrete milkshake (hey jo brand got her wish I guess on that one that the BBC still defend) by antifa why was that ok?

No one with a brain ever said it was. I abhor violence from any quarter and it should be utterly condemned, we are in a sorry state if we think it's alright to beat each other up just because we disagree politically.

Efour · 18 Aug 2019 at 17:46

dowie said:
He probably just got knocked to the ground and only a couple of kicks actually landing due to his mates getting involved. The sort of pub fight scenario that happens regularly thanks to drunk idiots and is quickly split up.

Exactly. I sometimes wonder if a lot of people here just have zero life experience, or just a vastly different one to me. Meh?

ANDREW GREEN · 18 Aug 2019 at 17:50

Tefal said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1161341034045067265

consideres crime like this merely "annoying" and that bankers should be targeted by police instead

There's a good argument that white collar crime in banking has been 'let off'.

Nasher · 18 Aug 2019 at 17:55

So over-dramatised as expected then. Probably just a bit of the usual drunken shoving and he made it sound like a scene from Casino.

99% of the time it's started by someone (probably him) gobbing off to some stranger. They get hit the stranger legs it, never to be seen again.

Nitefly · 18 Aug 2019 at 18:00

Anyone getting beaten up is terrible and yes we should all condemn violence. But...

I really don’t know too much about Owen so this is sort of a generic comment. People that run their mouths are just destined for trouble. Whether there is a bigger fish, a mob or someone several rungs higher on the psycho ladder. So whilst I do support freedom of speech, I also think that anyone exercises it in an inflammatory matter can’t then say “oooo he punched me, nerrrgh, that’s not fair!”

If you’re a nob, I have little sympathy for the slap. I do have a strong dislike for people that are ********* that then hide behind the protection of ‘rules / laws’. Likewise, there were once upon a time some very rude forum members on here that are thankfully now gone - I wouldn’t have at all sympathised if someone decided one day to bop them on the nose if they spoke like that in real life.

Again, that’s not Owen Jones related per se, just my own 2p in respect of some of the comments in here.

CREATIVE!11 said:
That's just how the world is wherever you go and it will never change. If you are respectful you find you seem to always just magically avoid any trouble.

You can’t always stop random violence but generally I wholeheartedly agree.

Scam · 18 Aug 2019 at 18:03

Tefal said:
But then again I find it very hard to sympathise with a man who makes calls to violence over politics potentially suffering violence due to politics.

Seriously, link please? Like I said earlier I've read a lot of his articles etc and never found him to be inviting violence. I stay away from Twitter though, so I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Tefal said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1161341034045067265

consideres crime like this merely "annoying" and that bankers should be targeted by police instead

I haven't watched that but isn't it common knowledge that a lot of "bankers" should have been locked up for their part in the recession. In fact, in Iceland some did.

Semple said:
Knowing the type of character he is, it's a fairly safe assumption

He may have extreme views but he's not a lout like Tommy Robinson. I'm sure as someone who has written two published books, has a degree from Oxford etc. has the intelligence to hold his tongue in halt circumstances. Again, he's not a Tommy Robinson character, he's a journalist and I'm sure he knows it.

Efour said:
All extremists need to be slapped back in line sometimes. Not just the side you support.

He might hold extremely left wing views but painting him as an "extremist" is patently false and erring towards a very Trumpian outlook on life. Seriously..

Kemik · 18 Aug 2019 at 18:22

Scam said:
I haven't watched that but isn't it common knowledge that a lot of "bankers" should have been locked up for their part in the recession.

No, it's just assumed and pushed by various groups. In reality, it is more down to bank lending policy and a few investment bankers. Most people don't actually know what they're talking about when they reference "bankers".

Malevolence · 18 Aug 2019 at 18:28

I thought Owen Jones was akin to Piers Morgan, as in kicking the **** out of him is considered to be a public service.

Scam · 18 Aug 2019 at 18:37

Kemik said:
and a few investment bankers.

Er, you've kinda contradicted yourself there.

Efour · 18 Aug 2019 at 19:16

He might hold extremely left wing views but painting him as an "extremist" is patently false.

Lol wut?

I like how you patently painted extreme extremists with such iliteration.

Malevolence · 18 Aug 2019 at 19:19

Scam said:
He might hold extremely left wing views but painting him as an "extremist" is patently false and erring towards a very Trumpian outlook on life. Seriously..

But anyone who holds views that are diametrically opposed to Jones and his ilk is a far-right extremist and a bigot, right?

Blackjack Davy · 18 Aug 2019 at 19:39

Scam said:
He might hold extremely left wing views but painting him as an "extremist" is patently false

So let me guess, only right wingers are "extremists" but equivalent left wingers are "activists", amirite?

Efour · 18 Aug 2019 at 19:58

Does this just not patently paint just how silly This whole bipolar political manipulation is?

FishFluff · 18 Aug 2019 at 20:02

Tommy Robinson gets a milkshake lobbed at him and posters here practically call for the death penalty. Someone on the left gets attacked and it's apparently fine because he had it coming.

GD in 2019 ladies and gentlemen.

Zatoichi.uK · 18 Aug 2019 at 20:08

Except of course for a large number of people that condemn violence from any political side and are consistent with our principals.

mmj_uk · 18 Aug 2019 at 20:17

I'm not condoning violence against anyone but iirc one of his mates or at least political chums is this girl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD7Ol0gz11k

"I am literally a communist" lol go to her Twitter and her support of Communism is obvious.

I'm sure if you gave those on the radical left a choice between hard Brexit and stopping Brexit altogether but committing mass genocide against all Leavers they would take the latter and tell themselves it's for the greater good or something, just protecting the climate lol, it's good for unity etc... and likewise in America with the radical left and a choice between their increasingly Marxist Democrat party and the choice between their own candidate and the thought of another Trump presidency. You need only look at the way remainers and anti-Trumpers look down their noses at leavers/Trumpites to see the clear resentment and sense of superiority, it's the kind of dehumanisation that tends to happen.