Ballistix Sport LT Overclocking

Ree · 1 Nov 2019 at 10:19

nvm reinstall fixed it.

Deletesystem32 · 3 Nov 2019 at 20:28

MegaPinches said:
Modest settings for stable 3600mhz to try, I too had issues with Trfc, PC would **** itsself everytime I tried dropping that I got fed up doing cmos clears. Any room for improvements, dram calculators setting Twrrd being at 1 was causing me lots of errors set to auto its fine, I imagine that dimm voltage can be lowered. Gonna try Andries 3733 profile but this one will be my 24/7. The Ram is a bargain :

Vdimm 1.4, soc 1.1, VDDP 0.9, VDDG 1.0

Anyone any idea why my latency is higher than user aboves? As far as I can see, Running almost identical timings bar rear row column delay, and other 2 main timings a little tighter but my latency is around 70.5ns on my 3700x.

MegaPinches · 4 Nov 2019 at 10:40

Deletesystem32 said:
Anyone any idea why my latency is higher than user aboves? As far as I can see, Running almost identical timings bar rear row column delay, and other 2 main timings a little tighter but my latency is around 70.5ns on my 3700x.

I heard it can be board dependant, also how many dimms are you using?

sandys · 4 Nov 2019 at 12:48

I am after some Ryzen gen 1 advice for this RAM if anyone has any, it's a long thread which mostly seems to focus on new chips.

I've got some 3200LT Sport running with my 2400G on an Asrock B450M Pro, obviously being an APU system memory performance is a bit more crucial to the machine, I have done some crude tuning basically finding out what speeds it will run at, in this case 3400 is all I can get to pass memtests regardless of how slack I make timings, so stuck with 3400 and started to reduce timing numbers, for the most part benches are reporting higher numbers for bandwidth and lower latencies than what I started with and gaming response on iGPU is improved which is all good.

But I don't really know the relationship between all the numbers and have just got here through long, slow trial and error, if anyone has a clue on what can improve this further, or if I have done something that could be negatively impacting performance let me know before I finally close the box and settle on what I have.

Cheers

tamzzy · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:04

@sandys ryzen/ryzen+ do not have great IMCs so 3400 is a pretty good result

your pic is a bit small (and i cba to squint so can't really say if your timings are decent or not)
but getting cl14 is pretty good

sandys · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:08

Hmm not sure why it came through small, I shall have another try later.

Yes its 3400 is better than what I manage on my Threadrippers expensive 3600 B die RAM

it also has a higher CPUz single thread score at same clock speed than the TR

Its a strong little CPU.

Gibbo · 4 Nov 2019 at 15:03

Hi there

We have Ballistix Micron E-Die on the way, ETA this week:

Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer RGB Micron E-Die 16GB Kit (2x8GB) DDR4-3200 UDIMM Gaming Memory @ £97.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Cruc...-DDR4-3200-UDIMM-Gaming-Memory-MY-20C-CR.html

BLT2K8G4D32AET4K, 3200MHz RAM Speed, CAS 16-18-18-36 Timings, 1.30-1.35v VDIMM, Lifetime Warranty with Crucial.

Only £97.99 inc VAT.

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Crucial Ballistix Sport LT Gray Micron E-Die 16GB Kit (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 UDIMM @ £74.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Cruc...GB-Kit-2-x-8GB-DDR4-3200-UDIMM-MY-20B-CR.html

BLS2K8G4D32AESBK, 3200MHz RAM Speed, CAS 16-18-18-36 Timings, 1.30-1.35v VDIMM, Lifetime Warranty with Crucial.

Only £74.99 inc VAT.

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Crucial Ballistix Sport LT Gray Micron E-Die 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 UDIMM @ £149.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Cruc...B-Kit-2-x-16GB-DDR4-3200-UDIMM-MY-20D-CR.html

BLS2K16G4D32AESB, 3200MHz RAM Speed, CAS 16-18-18-36 Timings, 1.30-1.35v VDIMM, Lifetime Warranty with Crucial.

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Crucial Ballistix Sport LT White Micron E-Die 16GB Kit (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 UDIMM @ £74.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Cruc...GB-Kit-2-x-8GB-DDR4-3200-UDIMM-MY-20F-CR.html

BLS2K8G4D32AESCK, 3200MHz RAM Speed, CAS 16-18-18-36 Timings, 1.30-1.35v VDIMM, Lifetime Warranty with Crucial.

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Crucial Ballistix Sport LT White Micron E-Die 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 UDIMM @ £149.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Cruc...B-Kit-2-x-16GB-DDR4-3200-UDIMM-MY-20E-CR.html

BLS2K16G4D32AESC, 3200MHz RAM Speed, CAS 16-18-18-36 Timings, 1.30-1.35v VDIMM, Lifetime Warranty with Crucial.

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Crucial Ballistix Elite Micron E-Die 16GB Kit (2x8GB) DDR4-3600 UDIMM Gaming Memory @ £188.99 inc VAT https://www.overclockers.co.uk/Cruc...-DDR4-3600-UDIMM-Gaming-Memory-MY-20G-CR.html

BLE2K8G4D36BEEAK, 3600MHz RAM Speed, CAS 16-18-18-36 Timings, 1.30-1.35v VDIMM, Lifetime Warranty with Crucial.

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We can get other kits, but these seem to be the ones people go for.

Matt_West_Mids · 4 Nov 2019 at 15:08

Well done OCUK nice prices on the kits as well!

Just need to stock Sabrent Rocket M.2 NVME drives now.

Space Monkey · 4 Nov 2019 at 16:15

@Gibbo Good call, they'll fly out the door with all the recs on this forum & cheaper than the others as well :cool:

Wish I'd waited a few days as I would have bought from you guys

Gibbo · 4 Nov 2019 at 16:38

Matt_West_Mids said:
Well done OCUK nice prices on the kits as well!

Just need to stock Sabrent Rocket M.2 NVME drives now.

We cannot compete with Rainforest on that, but we are pushing Corsair to match their prices with their MP510 which offers same performance.
Were also going to bring in the TeamGroup MP34 M.2 SSD which offers close to the performance but at a lower price.

tamzzy · 4 Nov 2019 at 16:42

Space Monkey said:
@Gibbo Good call, they'll fly out the door with all the recs on this forum & cheaper than the others as well

Wish I'd waited a few days as I would have bought from you guys

:O
you bought the sabrent rocket and e-die ram outside of ocuk!? Traitor you

Matt_West_Mids · 4 Nov 2019 at 16:54

Gibbo said:
We cannot compete with Rainforest on that, but we are pushing Corsair to match their prices with their MP510 which offers same performance.
Were also going to bring in the TeamGroup MP34 M.2 SSD which offers close to the performance but at a lower price.

Ah that's good to know for my build thank you much rather buy from OCUK if I'm honest. :cool:

Space Monkey · 4 Nov 2019 at 17:04

tamzzy said:
:O
you bought the sabrent rocket and e-die ram outside of ocuk!? Traitor you

Shhhh

Actually I bought some G.Skill RipJaw V's better value than the Crucial but I believe it was either a mis-price or as it was the last one in stock, a clearance price?

@Gibbo I believe the Corsair is based on the same tech as the Rocket, so if you can get them to match, that'll be a belter as Corsair have a much better warranty support etc...

tamzzy · 4 Nov 2019 at 17:17

Space Monkey said:
I believe the Corsair is based on the same tech as the Rocket, so if you can get them to match, that'll be a belter as Corsair have a much better warranty support etc...

sabrent rocket is a MyDigitalSSD BPX Pro rebrand
yeah, both the mp510 and rocket use the phison e12 controller with toshiba 3d tlc nand

just out of interest...what is the formatted capacity of your rocket 1tb?

Space Monkey · 4 Nov 2019 at 17:28

tamzzy said:
sabrent rocket is a MyDigitalSSD BPX Pro rebrand
yeah, both the mp510 and rocket use the phison e12 controller with toshiba 3d tlc nand

just out of interest...what is the formatted capacity of your rocket 1tb?

953GB

tamzzy · 4 Nov 2019 at 17:38

Space Monkey said:
953GB

ah thanks. guess the rocket has the full 1tb then
i wonder if that's due to the rocket having less overprovisioning or using diffrent nand...

Space Monkey · 4 Nov 2019 at 17:39

tamzzy said:
ah thanks. guess the rocket has the full 1tb then
i wonder if that's due to the rocket having less overprovisioning or using diffrent nand...

What's the others then?

tamzzy · 4 Nov 2019 at 17:48

Space Monkey said:
What's the others then?

MyDigitalSSD BPX Pro "1tb" is also 960gb - same as the mp510 (894gb formatted capacity)
i wonder if it's just sabrent's firmware allocating less overprovisioning

EsaT · 4 Nov 2019 at 18:22

Gibbo said:
We cannot compete with Rainforest on that, but we are pushing Corsair to match their prices with their MP510 which offers same performance.
Were also going to bring in the TeamGroup MP34 M.2 SSD which offers close to the performance but at a lower price.

Using likely completely same components TeamGroup should perform similarly.

Patriot VPN100, PNY CS3030 and Silicon Power P34A80 are other Phison E12+Toshiba NAND based drives.

AndreiD · 4 Nov 2019 at 20:28

EsaT said:
Using likely completely same components TeamGroup should perform similarly.

Patriot VPN100, PNY CS3030 and Silicon Power P34A80 are other Phison E12+Toshiba NAND based drives.

They are the same drive, Phison does turnkey solution so lots of vendors just put their stickers on their two E12 controller reference designs. The difference between the two is that one has half the DRAM of the other, to cut costs a bit. The Sabrent Rocket, Segate Baracuda 510, PNY CS3030, Patriot VPN100, Team Group MP34 for example are the same 1/2 DRAM design. Corsair MP510, Seagate Firecuda 510, Silicon Power P34A80, Team Group Cardea II for example are the full DRAM one.
~~Easy way to tell the difference between the two is that one uses Nanya DRAM chips and is single sided up to 1TB, the other is always double sided and uses SK Hynix DRAM chips~~ (though I'm not 100% sure on this). Performance differences are mostly negligible.

Props to OCUK for listening to what their community though, stocking E-die and more Phison E12 drives gives us more options to work with.