Finally, I get my day in court!

jsmoke · 29 Jan 2020 at 15:50

I may have found the guy in the pic, PM me for info.

Vidar · 29 Jan 2020 at 16:01

@jsmoke it's saying I can't send you a PM but I did send you a trust message yesterday

Rotty · 29 Jan 2020 at 16:15

Vidar said:
@jsmoke it's saying I can't send you a PM but I did send you a trust message yesterday

we are aware there has been an issue, we thought it was resolved, I have reported it

have you tried replying to an existing conversation as that was still working?

Vidar · 29 Jan 2020 at 16:18

@Rotty it's just allowed me to reply to jsmoke

unfortunately, definitely not the guy I appreciate all the help though

IvanDobskey · 29 Jan 2020 at 17:41

Gutted for you

Our justice system is absolutely appalling

Rotty · 29 Jan 2020 at 17:57

Vidar said:
@Rotty it's just allowed me to reply to jsmoke

unfortunately, definitely not the guy I appreciate all the help though

Thanka for letting me know

englishpremier · 29 Jan 2020 at 18:24

I've always thought that in cases like this the injured party (who this will unfortunately be with for life) should be compensated enough to live like a king. It won't fully fix any damage, but at least it goes a long way to making life that little bit easier.

Also, aren't private criminal prosecutions a thing in this country? So that might be an avenue albeit a costly one, hence the need for proper compensation.

Uther · 29 Jan 2020 at 19:48

Disgusting outcome. Sorry Vidar.

GW1970 · 29 Jan 2020 at 20:18

Sorry Vidar that’s a shocking decision by the CPS.

hopefully the main chap gets identified and actually gets the CPS actually doing a proper job.

gary996 · 29 Jan 2020 at 20:22

good old British justice or zero British justice

Psycho Sonny · 29 Jan 2020 at 20:57

dl8860 said:
So to get this clear, they've been able to show from the cctv that the majority of the bodily harm was caused by one of the guys who couldn't be ID'd? So he's definitely a good candidate for GBH, but the guy they did ID only did enough (on tape) such that they could get away with affray?

If they all arrived and disappeared together as you said, and are then obviously all known to one another, it's ridiculous that the ID'd guys are allowed to keep schtum about the **** who did the most of it and get a reduced charge based on a plea.

It's not about what you know it's about what you can prove.

Prove they all know each other and it wasn't randoms sharing a cab?

Could have been an uber drive share for instance.

Prove it wasn't.

There was a famous case in Glasgow where a gangster shot someone in Broad daylight hundreds of witnesses. None of them showed up. Everyone knew who done it including the police. He walked away scot free.

So prove they know each other. If they say they don't then nothing the police can do.

Angilion · 29 Jan 2020 at 22:08

NVP said:
I think the big problem is moral-less, money-grabbing, career-furthering, selfish ***** I mean lawyers

It's an adversarial system, so the duty of a criminal lawyer is to win cases or at least lose them by as small an amount as possible. Their entire purpose is to fight for their client (and thus for themselves, furthering their career by their success). It's arguably the least bad way to arrange things and it's not the root of the problem. The main root of the problem is money. There are more effective ways to handle crime, but they're a lot more expensive at least in the shorter term and they result in negative publicity because of the cost and the lack of vengeance.

McGraw · 29 Jan 2020 at 22:34

Psycho Sonny said:
It's not about what you know it's about what you can prove.

Prove they all know each other and it wasn't randoms sharing a cab?

Could have been an uber drive share for instance.

Prove it wasn't.

There was a famous case in Glasgow where a gangster shot someone in Broad daylight hundreds of witnesses. None of them showed up. Everyone knew who done it including the police. He walked away scot free.

So prove they know each other. If they say they don't then nothing the police can do.

if you could prove they all knew each other, you wouldn’t need to prove they all knew each other.

NVP · 29 Jan 2020 at 23:02

McGraw said:
if you could prove they all knew each other, you wouldn’t need to prove they all knew each other.

Mcnumpty2323 · 29 Jan 2020 at 23:08

NVP said:

That from American gods?

The_Abyss · 29 Jan 2020 at 23:09

Mcnumpty2323 · 29 Jan 2020 at 23:10

The_Abyss said:
Yep

Thanks
Thought it looked familiar

BowdonUK · 30 Jan 2020 at 00:12

Sorry to hear about how the case turned out.

I didn't think plea deals happened once it went to court. I've learned something today.

I'm sure it's a matter of time until he gets in trouble with the law again.

The_Abyss · 30 Jan 2020 at 00:27

I think it is quite likely that he's been in trouble more than once before, hence some of the comments in this thread.

Vidar · 30 Jan 2020 at 01:40

I've dealt with people like this guy before over the years, I've dealt with worse in my line of work. Yes I'm disabled now, yes because of him and several of his mates. Still I'm not going to just hide away somewhere or not try to seek justice if I can find him.

I may never find him and if not that's something I've just got to accept but if there's a small chance that with a little help I can get a name to pass to police then I will.