Sale of petrol and diesel cars to be banned by 2040

[Deleted User 234324]

There are Tesla vehicles with over 500k on them with little or no impact on it's range (few percent drop at most) still had the same overall performance as it did on day 1.

Even the decade old leafs have only lost minimal range.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

The problem is that a 15 year old ICE with 150,000 miles on it will have the same performance and range as it had when it was new. (Or very close to it)

Even if it was cheap, I doubt if a 15 year old EV with 150,000 miles on it will do so.

Yes, but a 15 year old ICE with 150,000 on the clock has plenty of potential to cost a fortune in repairs to keep it running as well.

 

[Pottsey]

Yep, EVs are soulless mobile phones on wheels and there isnt much thats appealing about them to car enthusiasts. They are disposable things.

The best petrol cars will only go up in value now as we will never see their like again.

You are so old fashioned and outdated. EV’s are not soulless the opposite in fact they can have more soul and can be way more fun to drive with the frustrations of ICE cars removed. In a day to day drive you able to corner faster and be pushed back into your chair more often than ICE cars can archived which all creates a more fun driving experience for the EV.

EV’s tend to have better weight spread with the main weight low to the ground in the middle creating the perfect cornering experience compared to ICE cars that tend to be front or back heavy due to the engine placement creating a worse driving experience.

Going from 0 to 30 is way more fun and faster in an EV then an average ICE and most people do that a lot daily which again creates a more fun experience for the EV.

Real car enthusiasts love EV’s that’s why the very top end cars are turning EV because they are faster and more fun. Look at the cars that are built for speed and fun only like super and hyper cars. They are all turning EV’s because they are way better then boring ICE cars and that's what the top end enthusiasts want.

I have no idea why you are so stuck on ICE cars. They can be more frustrating to own, more boring to drive, more costly to run. If anything is soulless it’s the old fashioned ICE cars.

You will never see the like of the cars you seem to like again as they are so rubbish compared to EV's no one will want to build them anymore. Luckily your opinion of EV's doesn't matter one bit as the world will move on leaving you behind. Keep your boring soulless outdated cars. I am going to stick with the more fun, less frustrating to own EV's. I would never buy another ICE car again.

EV's have returned the fun back into driving.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Even the decade old leafs have only lost minimal range.

I think a lot of this was the fault of Top Gear, where Paddy bought the worst / cheapest Leaf in the country.

I'd seen that leaf for sale beforehand - it had been ragged within an inch of it's life on the drag strip and the batteries were completely knackered. You could easily do exactly the same with an ICE - run it to it's death (anyone else been watching Mighty Car Mods - Yaris Hilton series?)- and then claim that that's representative of what a typical used ICE is like.

 

[Fusion]

The problem is that a 15 year old ICE with 150,000 miles on it will have the same performance and range as it had when it was new. (Or very close to it)

Even if it was cheap, I doubt if a 15 year old EV with 150,000 miles on it will do so.

And a 15 year old ICE car with 150k miles will often be throwing up large bills, whereas the EV is less likely to. The £500 market is limited though, lets be honest. No manufacturer really has the segment in mind.

 

[mattcrane]

What about motorhomes, motorbikes and other leisure vehicles?
Yes I haven't don't much research, I'm being a bit lazy!

As it stands at the moment the ban on the sale of new petrol and deisels wont effect motorcycles......yet!

Tbh I am looking forward to electric cars I already have a Self Charging Hybrid and switching to full electric wont effect me that much as long as I can convince my landlady to let us have a charger fitted to the side of the house, but motorcycles are a different story.

Electric motorcycles currently have no more than 100mile range if you ride it gently, if you open it up then you are looking at 75miles, now compare that to my current bike that has a tank range of 300miles+, now when riding in the UK that isnt a problem but I do a lot of touring overseas and in some places I have plans to visit it can be problematic trying to get fuel.

I will be in no hurry to swap to an electric motorcycle.

 

[Journey]

How many people in this thread have planned what car they will be buying in 15 years time as of now?

How many people in this thread knew that BEV's would even be a thing 15 years ago?

How many people in this thread know how much a litre of diesel or petrol will cost in 15 years time?

How many people in this thread know what car manufacturers will even exist in 15 years time?


Thought so... come back in 15 years with the answers.

 

[Jono8]

People still have worries about the infrastructure . However we have to remember that the amount of traditional service stations we will need will be much, much smaller.

Everyone (with a house at least) will likely never have to charge their car anywhere else other than their own home, unless they go on a very long trip.

At the moment, basically EVERYONE has to go to a petrol station to fill up their car. With EVs the vast majority will no longer have to charge anywhere other than their own home 99% of the time .

Most people, once they have got used to making sure their car is charged at home, will likely only have to use a public service station a few times a year (for when they go in holiday or something).

 

[Psycho Sonny]

For the same reason people still want classic cars (and their values have been going up faster since EVs arrived). There is something about the old styling and direct, analogue control is still the best way to drive a car. We've gone backwards in that regard.

Since people clocked on to all the spyware on "smart" phones, I think the number of people wanting dumb phones did rise

I don't know anyone that drives a classic car, nor do I know anyone with a dumb phone.

Who are these people? And where are they?

They are an extreme minority and always will be

 

[Psycho Sonny]

As it stands at the moment the ban on the sale of new petrol and deisels wont effect motorcycles......yet!

Tbh I am looking forward to electric cars I already have a Self Charging Hybrid and switching to full electric wont effect me that much as long as I can convince my landlady to let us have a charger fitted to the side of the house, but motorcycles are a different story.

Electric motorcycles currently have no more than 100mile range if you ride it gently, if you open it up then you are looking at 75miles, now compare that to my current bike that has a tank range of 300miles+, now when riding in the UK that isnt a problem but I do a lot of touring overseas and in some places I have plans to visit it can be problematic trying to get fuel.

I will be in no hurry to swap to an electric motorcycle.

The ban doesn't kick in for 15 years. Are you really thinking nothing will change within that time?

Put it this way BP are building charging points at an alarming rate. They know where their future lies.

Within 15 years you won't be able to drive for more than 2 minutes without going past a charging point.

 

[Pottsey]

How many people in this thread have planned what car they will be buying in 15 years time as of now?

How many people in this thread knew that BEV's would even be a thing 15 years ago?

How many people in this thread know how much a litre of diesel or petrol will cost in 15 years time?

How many people in this thread know what car manufacturers will even exist in 15 years time?


Thought so... come back in 15 years with the answers.

How many people in this thread know what is coming and so are planing on swapping to EV's when there car is due to replacement instead of waiting 15 years? There will be a lot of people upgrading between now and 15 years.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

People still have worries about the infrastructure . However we have to remember that the amount of traditional service stations we will need will be much, much smaller.

Everyone (with a house at least) will likely never have to charge their car anywhere else other than their own home, unless they go on a very long trip.

At the moment, basically EVERYONE has to go to a petrol station to fill up their car. With EVs the vast majority will no longer have to charge anywhere other than their own home 99% of the time .

Most people, once they have got used to making sure their car is charged at home, will likely only have to use a public service station a few times a year (for when they go in holiday or something).

Only issue I see is the people living in flats and those with no driveways, or driveways not big enough to accommodate all their vehicles.

I say bring it on. The guy across the road from me has 10-15 vehicles. He takes up every visitor parking space and double parks everywhere and also parks on a junction which is going uphill and around a corner.

As soon as we switch to electric no longer will he have 15 vehicles but a handful which can be kept charged unless he plans on rotating them every few hours.

 

[adam cool dude]

Only issue I see is the people living in flats and those with no driveways, or driveways not big enough to accommodate all their vehicles.

This is the bit that worries me. Only way the grid can cope is with smart charging. How can you smart charge when there is no on street charging available. You only have to look at openreach to see how poor they are at upgrading infrastructure that is already there. Charging for EV needs to be in the planning stages right now if they even stand a remote chance of getting it ready in 15 years time.

 

[Nasher]

Yep, flats and loads of new homes which don't have their own driveways are still being built. There is no room to install charging points because houses on new estates are so crammed together and you aren't allowed to just run a high voltage cable across a pavement.

No one is panning for what happens when people need to charge an EV so it will be another government planned disaster.

 

[adam cool dude]

Yep, flats and loads of new homes which don't have their own driveways are still being built.

No one is panning for what happens when people need to charge an EV so it will be another government planned disaster.

Exactly the government will have to pile billions of tax payers money into this to solve a problem that might not even be a problem in the grand scheme of things. That's what annoys me the most. Tax payer will have to pay for it one way or another.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

This is the bit that worries me. Only way the grid can cope is with smart charging. How can you smart charge when there is no on street charging available. You only have to look at openreach to see how poor they are at upgrading infrastructure that is already there. Charging for EV needs to be in the planning stages right now if they even stand a remote chance of getting it ready in 15 years time.

I think thinking like yours is wrong you have to think outside the box.

They should be encouraging those types to use public transport.

Which means investment and funding into that.

More people should be travelling together rather than individually all in their own metal boxes.

Massive upgrades required to the rail network. They need to build sky trains. Which aren't limited by the land or obstacles.

We are so far behind other countries because this country is a dump and the people living within it are even worse. The people here need to realise this. Great Britain ain't that great.

We had an issue at work where an employee thought it was okay to write racist remarks on the staff toilets this week.

Previously in the toilets there have been "dirty" protests. This is within a government building.

Public transport in it's current state is similar to that in Africa. I mean even Thailand has better infrastructure in place. Places like Denmark, Norway, Canada are leagues ahead of us.

 

[adam cool dude]

I think thinking like yours is wrong you have to think outside the box.

They should be encouraging those types to use public transport.

Which means investment and funding into that.

More people should be travelling together rather than individually all in their own metal boxes.

Massive upgrades required to the rail network. They need to build sky trains. Which aren't limited by the land or obstacles.

We are so far behind other countries because this country is a dump and the people living within it are even worse. The people here need to realise this. Great Britain ain't that great.

We had an issue at work where an employee thought it was okay to write racist remarks on the staff toilets this week.

Previously in the toilets there have been "dirty" protests. This is within a government building.

Public transport in it's current state is similar to that in Africa. I mean even Thailand has better infrastructure in place. Places like Denmark, Norway, Canada are leagues ahead of us.

People should be aloud to do what they want. This is not a socialist country no matter how much London wants it to be. If they want to drive a car there should be the opertunities to do so. As you said if public transport were to improve then it could become viable but that isn't going to change in 15 years time is it without massive government spending which they do not have.

 

[Simon]

It’s a very U.K. view in here on what is a global trend and challenge for OEMs and evergy companies.

sonny has obviously never left the UK based on those comments !

Batteries might not be around in 15yrs either

 

[Journey]

How many people in this thread know what is coming and so are planing on swapping to EV's when there car is due to replacement instead of waiting 15 years? There will be a lot of people upgrading between now and 15 years.

Obviously, but I am asking how many people can see 15 years in the future, or plan that far ahead. I couldn't tell you what car(s) will be sat on out drive way in three years time, let alone in 15 years.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Yes, but a 15 year old ICE with 150,000 on the clock has plenty of potential to cost a fortune in repairs to keep it running as well.

On the flip side, replacing the battery on EV can also be an incredibly expensive thing to do, but in saying that when you have the likes of Tesla putting a 1 million mile guarantee on their batteries. Good luck doing that much driving in under 25 years, let alone 15.

There was a good mini series done by the Fully Charged crew with a youtube personality called Maddie who went from a petrol car to running on purely electric. Covers all the issues they expected to come into (but never did) and how life has been running an electric car.

If your in the market for buying a new car today and you have a drive way, your mental if you go for anything other than an electric car. Unless you do excessive mileage, even then a high end EV will probably do comparable distance to a high end Petrol/Diesel car.

Telsa Model 3 = ~350 miles per charge (0 - 80% super charger costs ~£12)
BMW 5 Series = ~390 miles per tank p (~30mpg, ~£74 per tank), ~500 miles per tank d (~45 mpg, ~£77 per tank)

Either way a rest break for food/toilet would be required if you were doing that much driving in one stint, the EV can be charged from 0-80% in about 30 minutes, plenty of time to eat and do your business. The BMW could be refueled in 5 minutes, but not while your taking a dump.

 

[Pottsey]

Yep, flats and loads of new homes which don't have their own driveways are still being built. There is no room to install charging points because houses on new estates are so crammed together and you aren't allowed to just run a high voltage cable across a pavement.

No one is panning for what happens when people need to charge an EV so it will be another government planned disaster.

Its hardly a problem depending on where you live. Most people do not have patrol pumps at home and plan to stop off to get fuel. For EV's its not any different apart from there are way more places to fuel up and the number is increasing massively per month. All you do is plan a place to do your weekly fuel up like the weekly shop. All that is going to happen is over time more and more parking places are going to be converted into charging point parking places. I already pass more charging points in my daily and weekly routine then I do patrol stations.

I just got back off holiday in a lodge in the middle of a forest. With the most direct route between home and the holiday location I passed zero direct patrol stations on route and so the EV was easier and faster to keep fueled up then an ICE car. Even if I pretend I didn't have a driveway the EV still have won out. There was charging points in the middle of the forest. There was charging points at every single day trip we went out on. All you have to do was park up like you would have to anyway with an ICE car. The only difference is with the EV you no longer would have had to waste time tracking down a patrol station and going off route, no wasting time queuing up to get fuel, no wasting time queuing up to pay.

It was just a flat out better journey and driving experience with an EV over ICE car. An entire holiday, driving daily without access to our own driveway and zero problems. All for a better more fun driving experience. An ICE car would have just been flat out worse requiring a visit or 2 to a patrol station. An EV meant just enjoying the driving and not worrying about fuel or wasting time getting fuel.

You say no one is planning but they are. Just convert all large car parks, shopping car parks, council car parks to EV charge points. Many work places will just convert more parking places over. Big shops like Tesco are already converting the car park points to EV points and that will only increase.