ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Django x2 · 27 Feb 2020 at 22:25

The US and Taliban are incredibly close to negotiating peace, yet some Taliban place talks with Iran over weapons and militarism in higher regard.

gronf · 27 Feb 2020 at 23:17

Don't exactly like the idea of them going that way, but an alliance with Iran would definitely serve their (and anyone else in the region) interests far better than any US "peace".

Iraklis F.C. · 28 Feb 2020 at 18:56

what is the turkish public wait to dethrone Erdogan? this guy is a lunatic! he is literally blackmailing europe by handing buses to illegal immigrants by the millions to Greece and Bulgaria! He has thrown secular turkey down the toilet, nobody likes anything turkish anymore. WTH?

StriderX · 28 Feb 2020 at 19:08

Iraklis F.C. said:
what is the turkish public wait to dethrone Erdogan? this guy is a lunatic! he is literally blackmailing europe by handing buses to illegal immigrants by the millions to Greece and Bulgaria! He has thrown secular turkey down the toilet, nobody likes anything turkish anymore. WTH?

Lol, he already dealt with that in the false-coup attempt.

Honestly don't know why Greece doesn't just take back Eastern (Northern?) Cyprus, Turkey is never going to play ball now, it's about time someone forced their hand.

Iraklis F.C. · 28 Feb 2020 at 19:10

already 3 million syrians are on the march, this tsunami of refugees wont be tolerated , enough is enough

Malevolence · 28 Feb 2020 at 19:23

The thing is, Erdogan can literally get away with genocide and funding ISIL (via oil smuggling, an operation ran by his Son-in-law, Berat Albayrak) because of Turkey's strategic position and because he holds the keys to Incirlik.

StriderX · 28 Feb 2020 at 19:28

Malevolence said:
The thing is, Erdogan can literally get away with genocide and funding ISIL (via oil smuggling, an operation ran by his Son-in-law, Berat Albayrak) because of Turkey's strategic position and because he holds the keys to Incirlik.

Lol at holding keys to a US base, if it seemed likely that it was to be overrun and the bunker failed along with the thousands of defenders, then the US wouldn't hesitate to destroy the compound with every cruise missile they have.

Orionaut · 28 Feb 2020 at 20:14

Iraklis F.C. said:
already 3 million syrians are on the march, this tsunami of refugees wont be tolerated , enough is enough

I actually think that in this sort of situation, repelling invaders with a barrage of continuous machine gun fire would be absolutely reasonable!

Rroff · 28 Feb 2020 at 20:23

StriderX said:
Lol at holding keys to a US base, if it seemed likely that it was to be overrun and the bunker failed along with the thousands of defenders, then the US wouldn't hesitate to destroy the compound with every cruise missile they have.

Though I'm not sure how much faith I have in the practical versus on paper the core US section of that base is heavily dug in with 2 perimeter walls and enough manpower and heavy weapons to hold out for reinforcement from other US assets in the region - none the least the US usually has at least one amphibious assault or carrier group within a few hours that alone compare to a small country for firepower.

Also policy if any entity was to look like over running the facility is literally the nuclear option on the table to discourage anyone else from thinking of it.

Iraklis F.C. · 28 Feb 2020 at 21:50

live now, turkish military are shooting in the air to force immigrants to cross the border, erdogan must be playing his last card!

Minusorange · 28 Feb 2020 at 22:04

Iraklis F.C. said:
live now, turkish military are shooting in the air to force immigrants to cross the border, erdogan must be playing his last card!

He seems to be burning all his bridges,
He's burning his bridges with Russia over Idlib (there's no way after backing Assad for nearly a decade and the war finally almost won that they'll help Turkey)
He burnt his bridges with the US by buying Russia's S-400's
Now he's burning any bridge he left with Europe by opening the refugee floodgates

Rroff · 29 Feb 2020 at 00:40

Looks like Syria regime/Turkey are close to a proper clash after the last few hours... so much for those insistent earlier in the thread that Assad had "won" and it was just a mopping up exercise from that point (wasn't really that hard to see there is a lot of road still to go yet).

Minusorange said:
He seems to be burning all his bridges,
He's burning his bridges with Russia over Idlib (there's no way after backing Assad for nearly a decade and the war finally almost won that they'll help Turkey)
He burnt his bridges with the US by buying Russia's S-400's
Now he's burning any bridge he left with Europe by opening the refugee floodgates

It is looking like he has outplayed himself - he is likely going to be forced now into a game of brinkmanship where he is likely going to have to back down and look weak and he hates that or go all in with pretty serious consequences.

Panos · 29 Feb 2020 at 03:23

Minusorange said:
He seems to be burning all his bridges,
He's burning his bridges with Russia over Idlib (there's no way after backing Assad for nearly a decade and the war finally almost won that they'll help Turkey)
He burnt his bridges with the US by buying Russia's S-400's
Now he's burning any bridge he left with Europe by opening the refugee floodgates

No. He has Germany still unfortunately. Germany and Turkey (Ottoman Empire) go together over the last 200 years.

StriderX said:
Lol, he already dealt with that in the false-coup attempt.

Honestly don't know why Greece doesn't just take back Eastern (Northern?) Cyprus, Turkey is never going to play ball now, it's about time someone forced their hand.

That is something everyone said the night of the coup in 2016. But Greece is not Israel, at least the politicians were chickens. Also this cannot happen without Cypriot-Greek forces going through the British controlled Neutral Zone not having British blessing.

We shall see. Erdogan has lost the ball and became so greedy through continuous appeasement* from all sides that found himself cornered tonight.
Does this remind you of someone else in recent history?

*He has announced the unilateral scrapping of the Treaty of Montreux & Treaty of Lausanne over year now and nobody said anything.

Iraklis F.C. · 29 Feb 2020 at 12:58

a state of hybrid war is taking place right now at the turkish border, the army is taking defensive positions with tanks and hummers. The EU looks the other way.

Panos · 29 Feb 2020 at 13:41

Peaceful refugees...... With motolov trying to break through the borders.

https://www.tanea.gr/2020/02/29/gre...a-synora-apostellontai-enisxyseis-sta-synora/

Hagar · 29 Feb 2020 at 15:06

Someone should have got rid of Bashar Al - Assad years ago.

Amnesia · 29 Feb 2020 at 15:26

nkata said:
Someone should have got rid of Bashar Al - Assad years ago.

For defending against an invading force ?

Iraklis F.C. · 29 Feb 2020 at 16:00

the mentality in turkey is as if the revenge europe, dont know for what though. https://twitter.com/maanlichtt/status/1233768098299285511

Skunkworks · 29 Feb 2020 at 17:39

Panos said:
Peaceful refugees...... With motolov trying to break through the borders.

If these country thieves were hosed down with bullets the first time they tried to storm a border this would have ended immediately.

Dis86 · 29 Feb 2020 at 18:26

Amnesia said:
For defending against an invading force ?

For having his troops murder peaceful protesters.