Pray tell how does slapping 2 more identical cores to an already hot and bloated mess extend performance lead in software that rarely utilises more than 4 cores? Also, Intel have lost the gaming crown: Threadripper 3 has taken it. In your own words, topping the charts is key.
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Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread
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They are not the exactly the same. Not sure it you missed it but intel have moved the cpu closer to the cooler and spread it out over a bigger surface area, both of these things will reduce heat and help it clock higher.
Also it's got a new boost which will let the most important cores go higher.
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It won't, it'll be made up marketing gubbins, it'll be a hellfire creation device, useful for smelting iron and some such.
If they fail to ship a stock cooler with any version of it, you'll know its because they can't make a cooler to cope.
We shall see.
The early bench stuff when it reported hits 90degrees swiftly are not overly promising, as that didn't seem to even be the large core chip.
If they fail to ship a stock cooler with any version of it, you'll know its because they can't make a cooler to cope.
We shall see.
The early bench stuff when it reported hits 90degrees swiftly are not overly promising, as that didn't seem to even be the large core chip.
Not in Intel's defence here, but the 3950x dosn't ship with a cooler either. In fact there have been loads of different cpu's over the years that didn't as well.
What is obvious though is that the top end part of this release will never be able to be cooled by any current high end air cooler, probably not even high end AIO. No, this part is a halo product released for pro benchers to give Intel bragging rights it's as simple as that really.
Reduce heat? You've seen the temps just a few posts higher right? LMAO, any heat reduction benefits they may have gained has been wiped out multiple times over by the voltage and clock speed increase and the overall outcome is a significant increase in heat compared to the 9900k
The 3950x is a odd one, it runs cooler than the 3900x which did ship with a cooler, you can easily cool the 3950x with a $30 air cooler off eBay. So the reasoning isn't the same, Intel doesn't do it because they would need to include a noctua d15 or a 240mm AIO. AMD didn't do it for who knows - my guess is 1) higher margin and 2) Who spends $700 on a cpu to stick a $30 air cooler on it
every time I think about it, it still boggles my mind. The 3950x is so well binned that they could run overall lower voltages than the 3900x leading to lower temps even though it has 4 extra cores and higher clocks.
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What lead? Who uses £500 CPU & £1200 GPU with a 1080p monitor?
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Competitive gamers using 240hz displays.
The 0.1% of gamers will be super excited for an extra 3% fps I'm sure
This is me. Can't decide what to buy. It's driving me mad. My 4770k needs an upgrade
As a competitive gamer.
Step 1 is to upgrade to the new 360hz gsync screens.
Step 2 is to get a 2080ti or better
Then only Step 3 is to get a CPU can can support step 1 and step 2
Step 4 Put the CPU on good cooling and OC the crap out of it
Step 5 find the fastest lowest latency RAM and OC the crap out of it
And now you can call yourself a competitive gamer
Bonus Step: Skip the above steps and just use cheats, LMAO!
Intel is also doing this with what must clearly be poor yields. There is a reason why AMD dominates sales and yet Intel chips appear to be sold out on launch for so long.
No good having the top gaming CPU if not everyone can buy it. The market also appears to consider more than just outright gaming performance (which Zen 3 might even take given how close Zen 2 is).
No good having the top gaming CPU if not everyone can buy it. The market also appears to consider more than just outright gaming performance (which Zen 3 might even take given how close Zen 2 is).
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I’d wait to see comet lake overclocking potential. You ideally want to see an improvement in uncore and memory controller as you want to tune ram for best latency possible which helps a ton with min FPS and smoothness.
Below is why ram tuning is important. A guy I oc with did this on his 15/3600 kit. Frame time is very important to smooth gameplay. This is from AC: Origins btw
cpu: 9900k at 5.3ghz. Cache at 4.9ghz
XMP 15/3600
Manually tuned to 16/4400 with each sub-timing tightened:
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I’d wait to see comet lake overclocking potential. You ideally want to see an improvement in uncore and memory controller as you want to tune ram for best latency possible which helps a ton with min FPS and smoothness.
Below is why ram tuning is important. A guy I oc with did this on his 15/3600 kit. Frame time is very important to smooth gameplay. This is from AC: Origins btw
cpu: 9900k at 5.3ghz. Cache at 4.9ghz
XMP 15/3600
Manually tuned to 16/4400 with each sub-timing tightened:
A lot of people don't realise how important good ram clocks and timing is. DDR DRAM is actually a significant bottleneck to overall gaming performance and its prudent to optimise as much as possible if high framerates and low latency is your target - which you would expect for competitive gamers. It's worth mentioning that XMP is only half the battle - some people are aware of the performance benefits but simply enable a OC XMP profile - there is much more room to gain by manually tightening timings.
What software is that btw?
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Built in benchmark.
lol no AMD chip is beating my 5.4 GHz 9900K unless it’s like one of those 1% of games that use more than 8 cores.
What on earth have you been drinking? Threadripper is only faster for a tiny number of specific titles which are highly multi-threaded and CPU bound, such as AOTS. In all other mainstream titles, standard desktop processors are faster than HEDT.
Have a watch of the video LTT threw up today. 9900KS vs 3950X on otherwise identical platforms and gaming at 4K. Intel still wins, however much you may deny it.
As soon as he said air cooling doesn't make a difference I realized why I hate Linus. Just another casual **** youtube channel who pretends like he knows what he is talking about
Good thing a real tech youtube from Gamers Nexus showed Linus just he wrong he is, but that won't stop Sellout Tech Tips from spouting crap.
Linus also says he wants to build an Intel PC that you can buy now, except the 9900KS is EOL and is extremel hard to find, in the event you do find it, its probably close to the price of the 3950x...derp.
So silicon lottery prebinned 9900KS (which is EOL) 5.1Ghz (which means went and set it in BIOS to work at 5.1Ghz) at $750 and doesn't even bother to activate CPPC & CCPC Preferred Cores on the 3950X. Sure. Seems legit....
Well they will with Zen 3 but in the meantime Intel will chalk up more losses to Zen 2 as other hardware becomes faster.
how!?? You are thinking
Well neither the 9900k or 10900k support PCIE4 and that will affect some scenarios as time goes on. In the near future, anyone with a high end Ampere SLI can look forward to losing some frames on PCIE3.
Leaving aside random comments on cooling systems, Gamers Nexus also shows Intel to be faster than AMD in virtually all gaming benchmarks, corroborating the LTT results and their awards late last year put the 9900KS as the fastest gaming CPU (yes it may be EOL now but the 9900K is still faster than AMD).
PCIE4 will make no difference whatsoever to anything other than raw throughput of SSD storage devices, just as PCIE3 makes virtually no difference compared to PCIE2 even with modern GPUs. In exchange for this wonderful new tech which provides virtually zero benefit, we have expensive motherboards with annoying little fans on them again which will undoubtedly fail in a couple of years. SLI is also going the way of the dodo.
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