Donald Trump

Roar87 · 9 May 2020 at 15:56

wesimmo said:
Oh to live in cloud cuckoo land where there's infinite money and rich people don't collect wealth because they only have 5% cash.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1241905410157805568

Money is infinite, it's printed on paper or stored as digital numbers in a bank account. Rich people having a yacht that's worth £50million isn't the reason someone else is signing on to job seekers allowance, infact building that yacht gave hundreds of people jobs and will provide jobs for people for years to maintain and service it. So bored of Corbyn style economics, **** off to the USSR. Oh wait.

tang0 · 9 May 2020 at 16:01

Stu999 said:
I’ve never seen the concrete evidence of those things. I’ve seen plenty of Orange Man Bad drones repeat this nonsense though.

They use the few people got trapped in the process of Mueller's corruption case as evidence of Trump's supposed corruption. The only two that have any significance are Cohen & Manafort, where their past frauds got unearthed as part of Mueller/Weissman's attempt to go after these people to try and take down the president

chroniclard · 9 May 2020 at 16:02

Stu999 said:
I’ve never seen the concrete evidence of those things. I’ve seen plenty of Orange Man Bad drones repeat this nonsense though.

Bizarre, where have you been these last four years? This is NPC like behaviour.

wesimmo · 9 May 2020 at 16:06

Roar87 said:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1241905410157805568

Money is infinite, it's printed on paper or stored as digital numbers in a bank account. Rich people having a yacht that's worth £50million isn't the reason someone else is signing on to job seekers allowance, infact building that yacht gave hundreds of people jobs and will provide jobs for people for years to maintain and service it. So bored of Corbyn style economics, **** off to the USSR. Oh wait.

Yes, but creating money has other impacts, you can't just print money without things like inflation also occuring.

I'm really not sure what you mean by the last bit, I assume it was some strawman that says anybody left of yourself is a commie? This is blatantly rubbish, and more indicative of your world view than any reality.

Murphy · 9 May 2020 at 16:10

Roar87 said:
Money is infinite, it's printed on paper or stored as digital numbers in a bank account. Rich people having a yacht that's worth £50million isn't the reason someone else is signing on to job seekers allowance, infact building that yacht gave hundreds of people jobs and will provide jobs for people for years to maintain and service it. So bored of Corbyn style economics, **** off to the USSR. Oh wait.

If we have £1k to give to someone who's going to create the most economic activity, a rich guy with a £50m yacht or a family who's struggling to cloth and feed their kids?

Roar87 · 9 May 2020 at 16:24

Murphy said:
If we have £1k to give to someone who's going to create the most economic activity, a rich guy with a £50m yacht or a family who's struggling to cloth and feed their kids?

If you're a family struggling to eat and buy clothes in the United Kingdom in 2020 and I give you £1000, then in 6 or 12 months time you are going to be in the same position I found you in, except I removed an incentive for you to change your behaviour by plugging the gaps with a hand out for a few months. The £1000 will probably be immediately redistributed, but it won't change the root of the problem which is poor decisions. I say this as someone who was brought up poor.

Surveyor · 9 May 2020 at 16:29

Roar87 said:
If you're a family struggling to eat and buy clothes in the United Kingdom in 2020 and I give you £1000, then in 6 or 12 months time you are going to be in the same position I found you in, except I removed an incentive for you to change your behaviour by plugging the gaps with a hand out for a few months. The £1000 will probably be immediately redistributed, but it won't change the root of the problem which is poor decisions. I say this as someone who was brought up poor.

So encourage people to make better decisions by allowing them to go hungry?

Murphy · 9 May 2020 at 16:33

Roar87 said:
If you're a family struggling to eat and buy clothes in the United Kingdom in 2020 and I give you £1000, then in 6 or 12 months time you are going to be in the same position I found you in, except I removed an incentive for you to change your behaviour by plugging the gaps with a hand out for a few months. The £1000 will probably be immediately redistributed, but it won't change the root of the problem which is poor decisions. I say this as someone who was brought up poor.

Not what i asked, i asked who's going to create the most economic activity...Just a few posts ago you said you "know trying to get people to actually nail down an opinion on here that could perhaps be ridiculed or debated is a difficult thing" and yet here we are with people giving you their opinion on your question about whether "there are any benefits to taxing rich people less" and it seem you're refusing to give your own opinion.

I guess i was right when i said you were projecting.

Trusty · 9 May 2020 at 16:35

wesimmo said:
Oh to live in cloud cuckoo land where there's infinite money and rich people don't collect wealth because they only have 5% cash.

Whats the highest tax that should employed? Do you think there should be a cap on how much money you can be worth?

wesimmo · 9 May 2020 at 16:37

Surveyor said:
So encourage people to make better decisions by allowing them to go hungry?

And remember the vast majority of the world are only poor, because they made poor decisions. You know, like where to be born, to which parents. The decisions you shouldn't really get wrong unless you're a layabout lefty.

Or, alternatively, did you ever consider that Jeff Bezos just works billions of times harder than all the poor people?

chroniclard · 9 May 2020 at 16:37

Clearly anyone without money is a lazy ******* who made poor decisions.

wesimmo · 9 May 2020 at 16:40

Trusty said:
Whats the highest tax that should employed? Do you think there should be a cap on how much money you can be worth?

Did you mean tax rate?

I don't know, I simply have no idea and no inclination to do the work involved to answer the question.

No I don't believe that a cap should be used, just that financial systems need to evolve the way the world has evolved.

Roar87 · 9 May 2020 at 16:42

Surveyor said:
So encourage people to make better decisions by allowing them to go hungry?

Where is this, the UK? No one is "going hungry" in the UK who is actually making sensible choices. We have a benefits system as well as generous charitys. When I first left home I was working basically minimum wage, and I still managed to pay for driving lessons, a cheap gym membership and a cheap holiday. If at that point I decided to have 3 kids, having children is a decision by the way, I would basically be a moron who was bringing children to be raised into poverty. If I had been rewarded with a big pay cheque each month for having kids, then why would I chase a promotion at work? I did that so I could buy myself nicer things and have a better standard of living.

kinetic747 · 9 May 2020 at 16:50

Roar87 said:
Where is this, the UK? No one is "going hungry" in the UK who is actually making sensible choices. We have a benefits system as well as generous charitys. When I first left home I was working basically minimum wage, and I still managed to pay for driving lessons, a cheap gym membership and a cheap holiday. If at that point I decided to have 3 kids, having children is a decision by the way, I would basically be a moron who was bringing children to be raised into poverty. If I had been rewarded with a big pay cheque each month for having kids, then why would I chase a promotion at work? I did that so I could buy myself nicer things and have a better standard of living.

And this relates to Trump in what way? He inherited a fortune and then everything is a bit murky due to his refusal to release his tax returns. Let's see how much hard work he's put in once his returns are released but I've a feeling we'll have a long wait.

Surveyor · 9 May 2020 at 16:57

Roar87 said:
Where is this, the UK? No one is "going hungry" in the UK who is actually making sensible choices. We have a benefits system as well as generous charitys. When I first left home I was working basically minimum wage, and I still managed to pay for driving lessons, a cheap gym membership and a cheap holiday. If at that point I decided to have 3 kids, having children is a decision by the way, I would basically be a moron who was bringing children to be raised into poverty. If I had been rewarded with a big pay cheque each month for having kids, then why would I chase a promotion at work? I did that so I could buy myself nicer things and have a better standard of living.

I asked a question in response to your post.

Clearly from the other comments I wasn't the only one reading your post as suggesting a way of incentivising people to make "better decisions".

Murphy · 9 May 2020 at 17:05

Roar87 said:
....I say this as someone who was brought up poor.

So when you got money i assume you put it to good use as you used a past tense but you don't think other people can do the same, why's that?

Roar87 · 9 May 2020 at 17:10

Surveyor said:
I asked a question in response to your post.

Clearly from the other comments I wasn't the only one reading your post as suggesting a way of incentivising people to make "better decisions".

I don't think people should be allowed to starve, but I don't think that's a realistic option in the UK either.

chroniclard · 9 May 2020 at 17:17

Lets stick to the topic of Trump achieving nothing in 4 years.

Diddums · 9 May 2020 at 17:29

deuse said:
That's not a nice thing to call your Mrs! grow up

Lol the irony

Facepalm.

tang0 said:
“Corroborate facts” is something you need to work on

But I love it, keep mocking me. Just makes victory sweeter

Explain this victory. What constitutes a win?

Roar87 · 9 May 2020 at 17:32

chroniclard said:
Lets stick to the topic of Trump achieving nothing in 4 years.

It is the same topic, it's an ideological one. Trump says things which on the face of it sound a bit silly, but he doesn't give a ****. This thread will go on like that for the next 4 years.