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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
We need to firstly find out what die sizes are being used for the top chips from both companies?? Will it be like the Fury X and GTX980TI when both had similar die sizes,and the GTX980TI faster? Or is it going to be like the HD5870 and GTX480,when the latter had a much larger die size,and consumed far more power,to get the extra peformance??
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agreed die sizes will tell us the where we can expect everything to land cos with that you can estimate the perf by plugging in additional info we already have an idea on
 
Grim5 said:
well it's the second disappointing leak in a couple days

first mi100 is only 13% faster while clocking much higher and with more cores than Ampere and then 6900xt which has less cores than mi100 is only slightly faster than 2 year old Nvidia gaming gpu

when you get several leaks saying similar things it's time to worry
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Arcturus is rumoured with 8192 total cores and 1334 MHz. https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-ins...nchmarks-leak-faster-than-nvidia-ampere-a100/
GA100 goes with 6912 FP32 cores, 3456 FP64 cores and 432 tensor cores at 1410 MHz. https://wccftech.com/nvidia-ampere-a100-pcie-gpu-launch-20x-volta/
 
BigBANGtheory said:
agreed die sizes will tell us the where we can expect everything to land cos with that you can estimate the perf by plugging in additional info we already have an idea on
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I am more interested in what the sub £350 range gives us. For example you can get an RX5600XT or RTX2060 for under £300. A GTX1080TI is around 20~25% faster than either of them,so I would at least expect GTX1080TI level performance(or even more) for the sub £300 models.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
We need to firstly find out what die sizes are being used for the top chips from both companies?? Will it be like the Fury X and GTX980TI when both had similar die sizes,and the GTX980TI faster? Or is it going to be like the HD5870 and GTX480,when the latter had a much larger die size,and consumed far more power,to get the extra peformance??
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That was a direct result of gcn arch. Rdna 2 removes that.
There's Something Fishy in that leak that I'm going to hold the reservation for right now. Like I said before if it's only 15% faster than a 2080 TI it is not a 3080 performance level.

MI100 delivers around 13% better FP32 performance versus the Ampere A100 and over 2x performance increase versus the Volta V100 GPUs. The perf to value ratio is also compared with the MI100 offering around 2.4x better value compared to the V100S and 50% better value than the Ampere A100.
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This is using immature drivers.
So if the Mi100 is scaling well with 120cu beating ampere a100 then at roughly 2/3 the size tells me it should beat at 2080ti handily.

15% tells me they are either lying or using a much lower cu count card.
:D
 
It says S21??

EastCoastHandle said:
That was a direct result of gcn arch. Rdna 2 removes that.
There's Something Fishy in that leak that I'm going to hold the reservation for right now. Like I said before if it's only 15% faster than a 2080 TI it is not a 3080 performance level.
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Well it we need to see what the GA102 performs like too. Sites are saying RTX3090 is 50% faster than a RTX2080TI. The problem is that the RTX2080TI was nearly 40% faster than a GTX1080TI at 4K,and a GTX1080TI was around 85% faster than a GTX980TI at 4K.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
down to price then if that turns out to be real.... If AMD want say £650+ for that they can sod right off
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Aren't you seriously over reacting!?

You realise 650 is HALF the price of the 2080ti, so you're saying a card that's HALF the price and 15% faster is not worth buying? Oh boy, some people are living in lala land, how cheap do you want it to be, 300 pounds?
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
They already did. When the PS4 PRO used Checkerboard rendering,PC fans were mocking consoles for needing upscaling. I even commented once,it would be suddenly fine when PC got it.

Lo and Behold,PC got it and upscaling is the bestest technology ever.
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Checker-board rendering was used in crossfire back around 2005. It was called super-tiling back then.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It says S21??



Well it we need to see what the GA102 performs like too. Sites are saying RTX3090 is 50% faster than a RTX2080TI. The problem is that the RTX2080TI was nearly 40% faster than a GTX1080TI at 4K,and a GTX1080TI was around 85% faster than a GTX980TI at 4K.
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Yeah a 80 cu card wasn't going compete with a 3090. That much I knew. Most here cant afford or won't pay that much so it's a non issue to me.
 
Grim5 said:
Aren't you seriously over reacting!?

You realise 650 is HALF the price of the 2080ti, so you're saying a card that's HALF the price and 15% faster is not worth buying? Oh boy, some people are living in lala land, how cheap do you want it to be, 300 pounds?
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Fiver :p

People really are expecting far too much, mainly based on this bs "nvidia killer" rumour which was obviously a click bait title that people are going to take as fact, mainly when it suits an argument.
 
EastCoastHandle said:
That was a direct result of gcn arch. Rdna 2 removes that.
There's Something Fishy in that leak that I'm going to hold the reservation for right now. Like I said before if it's only 15% faster than a 2080 TI it is not a 3080 performance level.


This is using immature drivers.
So if the Mi100 is scaling well with 120cu beating ampere a100 then at roughly 2/3 the size tells me it should beat at 2080ti handily.

15% tells me they are either lying or using a much lower cu count card.
:D
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Arcturus is CDNA, Navi 2X is RDNA 2. RDNA 2 - gaming, CDNA - compute.
 
Gerard said:
Checker-board rendering was used in crossfire back around 2005. It was called super-tiling back then.
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Which is why I found the consoles being mocked rather intriguing,but AFAIK the PS4 PRO was the first gaming device to use dedicated hardware for it.

EastCoastHandle said:
Yeah a 80 cu card wasn't going compete with a 3090. That much I knew. Most here cant afford or won't pay that much so it's a non issue to me.
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AMD will need to balance potential development costs,with the amount of predicted sales. Personally I will be more interested to see if AMD has managed to get closer in terms or uarch with Nvidia. I am not that bothered with the GPUs over £500 - as long as AMD are competitive under that price range I am fine.
 
It would be entirely in character for AMD to deliver yet another pi$$ weak GPU masquerading as a 'poor'
Volta destroyer or an 'overclockers dream', or an 'Nvidia Killer' and other such nonsense. I pre-ordered the Fury X afterbirth card only to cancel it as soon as I got wind it was another excrement sandwich. AMD could deliver here somehow but it's been a long time since they have and I've been here three times in the last six years or so. I guess the straight talking Mr Hallock can put me right.
 
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