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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Whichever way people want to twist it, it was an AMD choice leading the way and regardless of it running out of steam, you cant pin this on nvidia as the brains behind it they are all about proprietary but agree it probably played into their hands as the muppets in the dev world and games budgets sat on their hands.
 
Th0nt said:
Whichever way people want to twist it, it was an AMD choice leading the way and regardless of it running out of steam, you cant pin this on nvidia as the brains behind it they are all about proprietary but agree it probably played into their hands as the muppets in the dev world and games budgets sat on their hands.
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Goes back to what I was saying though - a lot of the stick for Mantle wasn't about whether Mantle was good or bad in itself but that a lot didn't believe AMD would put the effort behind it to see it leveraged in the mainstream - after all it was almost a skunkworks project within AMD initially from a couple of people - largely initially the work of one person without much wider support from AMD.
 
Yeah I applaud the efforts though as they are renown for going out on a limb and due to few entities backing them or taking a risk it generally falls flat. It totally accelerated DX12 and other sister methods to get the raw API that was there just never implemented.
 
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This is kind of aside yet again to what I'm talking about but this is likely largely nVidia's intentions with getting involved with Vulkan - despite an initial natural advantage to AMD's GCN architecture the API increasingly favours nVidia in feature set and performance - quite a few areas with newer features currently AMD doesn't even have a render path for.

Given the nature of the Khronos group and Open GL there are limits to how far nVidia can push it or no doubt it would be locked down by now :s
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Ah, I see were you are getting your wires crossed. You think vulkan was intended for GCN and when the Khronos group evolved it nvidia benefits. The whole point of the api is a close to mental approach. It doesn't care of for the Uarch. And, you benefited most with a lower end PC. Not a Radeon alone. Mantle evolved to be Vulkan which is a low-overhead, cross-platform 3D graphics and computing API. Mantle, like Vulkan wasn't intended to be a Radeon only API nor is it a Nvidia api. It's a open-source API. It wasn't intended to favor AMD/GCN nor Nvidia. It's up to each company to take advantage of it. And that's were we have the disconnect.

The problem is we haven't had any real test with equally performing GPUs from both camps using Vulkan's latest 1.2 update as of yet with AMD/Nvidia's newest HW. However, each have updated drivers to keep pace with Khronos updates (as applicable of course). Be that as it may, Vulkan is an ever evolving API (same can be said for DX12). So it's really hard to pin down who has the technical advantage when updates are happening all the time.
 
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Ah, I see were you are getting your wires crossed. You think vulkan was intended for GCN
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Never said that. nVidia architectures at the time didn't benefit well from the approach (hence one of the reasons nVidia was able to get a lot of mileage out of some DX11 hacking in response to Mantle). (One area being related to asynchronous queues).
 
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Remember that AMD formally stated that they will disrupt the 4K market with RDNA2.

I don't expect that will turn out to be an empty statement.
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Remember the last time AMD used the word "disruptive" for a GPU launch? I do. Believe it was the RX 480 :p

"I felt a disruption in the Force.. as if millions of over-hyped AMD fans were deflated in unison.."
 
FoxEye said:
Remember the last time AMD used the word "disruptive" for a GPU launch? I do. Believe it was the RX 480 :p

"I felt a disruption in the Force.. as if millions of over-hyped AMD fans were deflated in unison.."
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I do, I do. It was grand, cake for everyone. But no candles though. I wanted ice cream but all they had was vanilla bean. Not a fan of the flavor so I passed on it. I even meet some interesting people that I don't get to see all the time. There was fireworks but I didn't stay to see it.

"I too felt a disruption in the force...as if millions of average-paid Nvidia fans deflate in unison at the price hikes of 3000 series. The whales bought the card and returned back to the depths from whence they came. Singing a melody no one understood..."
:D
 
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Green team have shown their hand announced a special event on September 1st, is there any update on AMD's launch? I'd love to go team red, and for the first time in years I've got a screen that is GPU agnostic, so show me what you've got AMD! :D

With consoles due to launch around the same time, this is proper dilemma stuff coming up. :)
 
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Dirk Diggler said:
Green team have shown their hand, is there any update on AMD's launch? I'd love to go team red, and for the first time in years I've got a screen that is GPU agnostic, so show me what you've got AMD! :D

With consoles due to launch around the same time, this is proper dilemma stuff coming up. :)
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All AMDs new products, that includes zen 3, rdna2; ps5, Xbox series X are launching in November
 
Grim5 said:
All AMDs new products, that includes zen 3, rdna2; ps5, Xbox series X are launching in November
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That’s might be too much wait for me, got a new 1440 monitor sat in its box as my 780 won’t touch it. They really need to leak info before nvidia launch or my pennies will be spent.
 
Let me get this right. AMD had no problem disrupting comet lake with the XT series but they’re happy to sit there and let Nvidia take the high end, high margin sales even though they have a card that can compete?

that’s the story we’re selling now?
 
Agree AMD do need to at least start hinting they can provide either competitive top end performance and or disruptive pricing. Nebulous nonsense like 'poor Ampere' or 'an overclockers' dream that turn out to be dishonest misinformation won't cut it. They need to at least provide some decent numbers once Nvidia benchmarks are out otherwise they're only going to get the last crumbs from die hard fan boys and I can't afford to subsidise RTG any more than the next person.
 
Robert896r1 said:
Let me get this right. AMD had no problem disrupting comet lake with the XT series but they’re happy to sit there and let Nvidia take the high end, high margin sales even though they have a card that can compete?

that’s the story we’re selling now?
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A 60 CU Navi would beat a 2080ti, they made the radeon vii they could have made the same size die Navi and at least matched Nvidia, latest drivers would beat it.
They didn't because TSMC can't supply enough wafers, TSMC are doubling 7nm P supply for AMD but I don't know what the Consoles are on, Zen3 is also on 7nm P, I think Zen2 mobile are staying on 7nm, I hope Zen3 and Consoles don't swallow up everything or AMD can't make a larger RDNA2 GPU again
 
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A 60 CU Navi would beat a 2080ti, they made the radeon vii they could have made the same size die Navi and at least matched Nvidia, latest drivers would beat it.
They didn't because TSMC can't supply enough wafers, TSMC are doubling 7nm P supply for AMD but I don't know what the Consoles are on, Zen3 is also on 7nm P, I think Zen2 mobile are staying on 7nm, I hope Zen3 and Consoles don't swallow up everything or AMD can't make a larger RDNA2 GPU again
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Show me evidence of this supply constraint on TSMC please and where AMD has stated this impacting their launch windows and supply.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15915/tsmc-confirms-halt-to-huawei-shipments-in-september This is the latest from TSMC. If anything losing Hauwei opens up fab space for others and TSMC still expects to grow YOY so they seem more than fine. Intel using TSMC doesn't come into play until next year so I'll save you that angle.
 
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Show me evidence of this supply constraint on TSMC please and where AMD has stated this impacting their launch windows and supply.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15915/tsmc-confirms-halt-to-huawei-shipments-in-september This is the latest from TSMC. If anything losing Hauwei opens up fab space for others and TSMC still expects to grow YOY so they seem more than fine. Intel using TSMC doesn't come into play until next year so I'll save you that angle.
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AIBs are complaining AMD can't supply them with enough Ryzen 4000 mobile, what do you think Consoles will do to supply.

I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst
 
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