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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Jacky60 said:
Agree AMD do need to at least start hinting they can provide either competitive top end performance and or disruptive pricing. Nebulous nonsense like 'poor Ampere' or 'an overclockers' dream that turn out to be dishonest misinformation won't cut it. They need to at least provide some decent numbers once Nvidia benchmarks are out otherwise they're only going to get the last crumbs from die hard fan boys and I can't afford to subsidise RTG any more than the next person.
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What would be the point in AMD hinting at anything right now, Nvidia haven't even announced a single next gen product yet, just a date for that announcement.
 
Consoles are already in production, Sony by itself ordered 10 million units ready for November - that's why TSMC has a 7nm shortage now
 
Sgt_Pepper said:
That’s might be too much wait for me, got a new 1440 monitor sat in its box as my 780 won’t touch it. They really need to leak info before nvidia launch or my pennies will be spent.
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Well, all we know at this point is that Nvidia are announcing their next gen cards on Sept 1st but who knows when consumers will actually be able to buy any. There's been no hint of availability yet.
 
Grim5 said:
Consoles are already in production, Sony by itself ordered 10 million units ready for November - that's why TSMC has a 7nm shortage now
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November is going to be a stupid month, absolutely nothing for a full year and then in November everything in one go
 
Dirk Diggler said:
They'd best get some official info out if they don't want NV hoovering up the sales through September/October. I'd be happy to wait if the price/performance ratio was there.
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Robert896r1 said:
Let me get this right. AMD had no problem disrupting comet lake with the XT series but they’re happy to sit there and let Nvidia take the high end, high margin sales even though they have a card that can compete?

that’s the story we’re selling now?
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I'm sure AMD didn't originally plan to have all this landing at the same time. Possible Covid consequences.
Consoles I'd imagine will take priority - big penalties, loss of face etc.
CPUs next - winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Big Navi could be the runt of the litter. I'm thinking drivers especially.
 
Satchfanuk said:
What would be the point in AMD hinting at anything right now, Nvidia haven't even announced a single next gen product yet, just a date for that announcement.
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I did say "they need to at least provide some decent numbers once Nvidia benchmarks are out" did you miss that bit? I mean something along the lines of "hold onto your money until you see the whole picture" although I guess that will be pointless if Nvidia obliterate their offer with much more raw performance.
 
Jacky60 said:
I did say "they need to at least provide some decent numbers once Nvidia benchmarks are out" did you miss that bit? I mean something along the lines of "hold onto your money until you see the whole picture" although I guess that will be pointless if Nvidia obliterate their offer with much more raw performance.
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It's difficult to know what to expect right now. Like you say, until we see benchmarks from a few sources, all we have is rumours and speculation.

Even after the announcement we won't know much more beyond Jensen's marketing blurb and we know how misleading he can be with his numbers.

At the end of the day, even if AMD don't 'win' with outright performance, so long as they have made progress and narrowed the gap, I'll be happy (pricing aside).

Note: Yes I did miss that bit, probably because it wasn't in the first sentence :P
 
Satchfanuk said:
Even after the announcement we won't know much more beyond Jensen's marketing blurb and we know how misleading he can be with his numbers.
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It’s always a bad idea to rely on the marketing, I don’t think many here will do that. Companies often pick obscure things to measure too so that there is an impressive ‘bigger number’ on the marketing slides.
 
Robert896r1 said:
Show me evidence of this supply constraint on TSMC please and where AMD has stated this impacting their launch windows and supply.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15915/tsmc-confirms-halt-to-huawei-shipments-in-september This is the latest from TSMC. If anything losing Hauwei opens up fab space for others and TSMC still expects to grow YOY so they seem more than fine. Intel using TSMC doesn't come into play until next year so I'll save you that angle.
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and @humbug
I remember seeing something earlier in the year that Huawei were stockpiling chips during the grace period before they are cut off from TSMC. They have probably increased their orders during 1H 2020, which may be the shortage that humbug mentioned but this will all free up once they are booted from TSMC.
 
Stu999 said:
It’s always a bad idea to rely on the marketing, I don’t think many here will do that. Companies often pick obscure things to measure too so that there is an impressive ‘bigger number’ on the marketing slides.
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And always check the (very) small print that accompanies the slides :D
 
FoxEye said:
They did? What I miss?

All I can see still is the odd barely-credible (not-at-all-credible) launch speculation from the usual suspect sites who will not be mentioned :p
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Initially read it as
All I can see still is the odd barely-credible (not-at-all-credible) launch speculation from the usual suspect who will not be mentioned :p
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And was trying to work who it is :p

Excuse, I'm on my phone outside in the sun :D
 
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