Why tho? The 970 was £370 something and the 1070 was £400 ish.
Why are so many prepared to just up their spend?
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Why are so many prepared to just up their spend?
The 970 also dropped a fair amount in price, I bought mine new for £230, 1070, 2070 never came near that
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The driver problems that AMD had lately won't help them at all, lots will be put off by Navi X2 due to this. Damn shame really, they'd been doing pretty damn good work for the few years before that (my Vega64 was solid for instance).
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Many like every gen cannot get their head around the fact price for performance improves over time. Turing has made things worse. I still remember here many did not believe that 980Ti performance could be had for under £400 and then the 1070 came out
And as if to prove my point...
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/08/microsoft-put-off-fixing-zero-day-for-2-years/
Is that really any different to running an unsupported and unpatched OS if they take 2 years to fix security issues that are being actively exploited
I'm sure 970 was £270 on launch not £370, the 980 was around £400
Maxwell was priced great and I'm sure the strong pound helped, won't ever see those prices again imo
3070 that's close to the 2080ti and is £400-450 I'd buy, if it's above £500 I'll wait for big Navi or just get a ps5 until the next generation GPUs. also depends on the memory amount, 8gb will be very stingy
You have absolutely no point to prove, no security consultant would agree with you about using an outdated, unpatched and unsupported OS, so it's best if we don't continue to the conversation and just agree to disagree instead of get into circular arguments (which are my pet hate as far as forums are concerned).And as if to prove my point...
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/08/microsoft-put-off-fixing-zero-day-for-2-years/
Is that really any different to running an unsupported and unpatched OS if they take 2 years to fix security issues that are being actively exploited
You are right that in some areas of computing price does improve as performance progresses, CPU's are a great example of this. However, GPU's are being used to fleece people as part of a multi-billion dollar gaming industry. They know people will pay. It's that simple.Many like every gen cannot get their head around the fact price for performance improves over time. Turing has made things worse. I still remember here many did not believe that 980Ti performance could be had for under £400 and then the 1070 came out
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Agree about what? I never advocated for using Windows 7 - I'm just having a chuckle at getting on a high horse about people still being on 7 and extolling the virtues of Windows 10 on the merits of being patched and supported when there is stuff like that coming out about it all the time and any security professional worth their salt would have concerns about how many of these issues should never have existed in the first place. There are probably more important or higher security issues patched in 10 this month than the total that have been patched and ever will exist unpatched in Windows 7 - that isn't ignoring that if a big exploit is found in Windows 7 it is less likely to get fixed in future and there are limited ongoing programs to find and patch any existing holes.
I don't disagree with your point about Windows 7 being old and unsupported but Windows 10 simply isn't covering itself in glory on this front - and I'm honestly surprised people aren't as up in arms about it as they are with the Intel CPU security situation because it is no less concerning and potentially more so.
- Windows 10 is patched and supported and represents the safest consumer version of Windows currently available. Fact.
- Windows 10 is not perfect and has security flaws uncovered on a regular basis, some of which are serious. No-one would claim otherwise. Fact
- There is no perfect or bulletproof solution when dealing with an operating system of such breadth and scope and the threat landscape are only getting more advanced, far more advanced than it was when Windows 7 was designed. Fact.
- If you want to run Windows OS then one should be realistic and pragmatic and take the best and most secure option available to them. That is Windows 10. Fact.
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Now please, lets stop flogging a dead horse, agree to disagree on anything we don't see eye to eye in, and get back to the grim reality of the GPU hype train.
- Windows 10 is patched and supported and represents the safest consumer version of Windows currently available. Fact.
- Windows 10 is not perfect and still has security flaws uncovered on a regular basis, some of which are serious. No-one said otherwise. Fact
- There is no perfect or bulletproof solution when dealing with an operating system of such breadth and scope. Fact.
- If you want to run Windows OS then one should be realistic and pragmatic and take the best option of Windows available to them. That option is Windows 10. Fact.
Which isn't what I'm posting about - I'm just having a laugh at people in general that get on a high horse over 10 when it comes to people still running 7 - I'd be less inclined if point 3 in regard to Windows 10 was setting a benchmark for best possible security situation or at least attempting to.
And to be quite frank with 100+, many of them important, many of them shouldn't have been a problem in the first place, security issues fixed this month alone and goodness knowns how many more are out there to be discovered I don't feel any safer on my Windows 10 machines than my Windows 7 ones which probably don't even have 100 security issues in total
980ti zotac was right at the beginning for £499 at OCUK. So you saved £100 and now this means you'll save £600?Many like every gen cannot get their head around the fact price for performance improves over time. Turing has made things worse. I still remember here many did not believe that 980Ti performance could be had for under £400 and then the 1070 came out
I got my zotac 1070 for £350 new
So you are saying 3070 will be £1000 or more?980ti zotac was right at the beginning for £499 at OCUK. So you saved £100 and now this means you'll save £600?
Why fixate on price on this topic? We have historically always looked at performance tiers. Just because the price went up to £1200 with 2080Ti does not mean that level of performance will only get cheaper by hundred or two hundred quid. Plus generally speaking there was a lot more than a £100 difference between a 1070 and 980Ti.
No sir, price for performance always improves, even with Turing the 2070$ did that. Now we not only have a new architecture, but also a decent jump in transistor count due to a much better manufacturing node being used. Price for performance will improve more than you think, mark my words.
How can you say that when the RTX 2070 was launched at £599, and the 1080Ti was less than £599 when it (the 2070) launched? If you are purely talking MSRP then maybe slightly, but even then you'd be an ejit to ignore the 1080Ti for less money than the new card. It wasn't until AMD did the whole 5700XT thing that the 2070S came out, and then was faster than the 1080Ti, and cost less.
AMD have been out the game so long at the high end GPU level that honestly think they would struggle to convince people to pay £700 for "3080Ti" perf. They may have to run a loss first gen back just to get their name back out there again.
To be honest, it entirely depends on the performance increase. im after a new GPU for a VR/HTPC rig im building. I know a £200 card would suffice, however if i can get a nice increase over my 5700xt, i could use that for my VR rig, and one of the new cards in my main rig.
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They only repeated part of the original article. The original also went on to say on another website the price was £1500 (and dont forget we are talking about an AIB watercooled hybrid card here as well)
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I don't feel any safer on my Windows 10 machines than my Windows 7 ones which probably don't even have 100 security issues in total
Then your gut feeling is wrong. Windows 7 will contain many of the issues that are present in 10, because they share code, it's just that it's out of support so nobody is recording or fixing them. Running an out of date OS like this is not a security strategy. Nobody is reporting new security problems with windows 7 because nobody at MS or in the security research establishment is looking any more.
The 3060 is going to have 12Gb memory? Seriously doubt it. Not at the price point they have put on those slides anyway.