NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Greebo]

Yep, two years of waiting were very loooong

You must have got your 1080ti late. There are a lot of users being on 1080ti for 3 and half years now.

 

[Yaayuh!]

You must have got your 1080ti late. There are a lot of users being on 1080ti for 3 and half years now.

I was going to say, over 3 years for me.

 

[Journey]

If everyone bought the product the minute it came out there would be no more sales, why does it matter how long someone owned a card from, are they somehow inferior if they didn't get it at launch?

 

[Seearbe]

What are the expected timeframes around all this?

Nvidia - 1 Sep we have the "launch" of the new cards, presumably hitting shelves a few weeks later. So call that 1 October.
PS5 - we're looking at what, end of October / start of November, to drum up sufficient hype for Christmas. I would hazard RRP won't go over £500.
Xbox Series X - we're again looking at November and rumoured price of $600, so call that £600. Sounds steep to me btw.
AMD - Possibly coming November at a push?

So there's going to be a massive saturation of supply in the gaming market, all coming in Q4.

I just can't see Nvidia are going to be able to be too punchy on pricing unless they deliver something really, really special.

 

[tyler_jrb]

Agreed with the above. With no competition nvidia may try it on again with high prices. So it may be worth seeing what AMD have as even if it’s not as fast. They will only help to reduce prices. Same with the consoles.

£600 for XSX seems about right with the spec list. Not that I’ll be buying, ps5 for me.

For me it also depends on the cards. I’ll be looking at the next Ti equivalent card. So if a 3080 is all that’s on the cards I’ll be waiting.

If we have a 3080 and a 3090 and the latter is £1399 as suggested then I’ll probably just keep what I have. Wouldn’t mind a bit more performance in current games but I could easily get by with my 2080Ti and hopefully wait for better stock, AIB cards and pricing to come down.

 

[M1k3H]

If nVidia release a card that can do at least 60fps, ultra settings at 1440p, for around £350 I will be buying as soon as there’s stock. Anything dearer, I will stick with my 780ti for a few more months and just buy whatever AMD release for the price. Like a lot of people are saying, not a matter of can I afford it, but is it value for money?

I am willing to go above to maybe £450 if the increase in performance is a lot more.

Last time I bought new was when I got my 5770s in CF, so looking forward to see how things will move on since then and from my (2nd hand) 780ti.

if prices are a lot higher, I will keep my 780ti and just buy a console. I can still play strategy games on my current setup, where graphics aren’t so important, and will play everything else on console.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

'Ladies and Gentleman, my names Paul'

No secondary chip

 

[Rroff]

Then your gut feeling is wrong. Windows 7 will contain many of the issues that are present in 10, because they share code

A lot of the security issues in 7 will have been found by now and most of the new ones aren't in code that is shared with 7. Obviously as time goes by if enough effort is put into it clever ways to exploit existing weaknesses may be found, etc.

, it's just that it's out of support so nobody is recording or fixing them. Running an out of date OS like this is not a security strategy. Nobody is reporting new security problems with windows 7 because nobody at MS or in the security research establishment is looking any more.

I'm not claiming it is a security strategy - people are too quickly assuming from key words in my post and not reading the rest.

The fact is 10 isn't covering itself in glory on the security front with 100s of issues being found frequently many of which should not have been there in the first place which begs the question how many more there are and how many more there will be with new updates, etc. Windows 7 was never that bad. Hence I find it amusing when people talk up security as a reason to not be on 7 any more and saying people should be moving to 10 but it isn't like 10 is in a good place at all. If this was another piece of software, etc. people would be warning people not to use it so I don't know why 10 isn't getting the same treatment - even less outcry than the Intel CPU vulnerabilities for some reason despite being just as concerning if not more so and even some people defending it.

 

[Seearbe]

Wouldn’t mind a bit more performance in current games but I could easily get by with my 2080Ti

Since there are a whole load of assumptions being banded about in this thread as to who is upgrading and why, can I ask what you find lacking in your current card that makes you want to upgrade?

 

[TNA]

How can you say that when the RTX 2070 was launched at £599, and the 1080Ti was less than £599 when it (the 2070) launched? If you are purely talking MSRP then maybe slightly, but even then you'd be an ejit to ignore the 1080Ti for less money than the new card. It wasn't until AMD did the whole 5700XT thing that the 2070S came out, and then was faster than the 1080Ti, and cost less.

Did you not read the whole post or even follow the thread and see my last few?

I can say it easily because that is exactly what happens. The reasons they got away with silly pricing for Turing was because they had no competition, they milked RTX and they did not go 7nm like AMD did so they ended up with bigger die's that cost more.

That will not happen this time around. Price for performance will improve. If you are so sure it won't I am happy to take a bet for a tenner on it

people are too quickly assuming from key words in my post and not reading the rest.

Happens a lot here.

 

[Seearbe]

A lot of the security issues in 7 will have been found by now and most of the new ones aren't in code that is shared with 7. Obviously as time goes by if enough effort is put into it clever ways to exploit existing weaknesses may be found, etc.



I'm not claiming it is a security strategy - people are too quickly assuming from key words in my post and not reading the rest.

The fact is 10 isn't covering itself in glory on the security front with 100s of issues being found frequently many of which should not have been there in the first place which begs the question how many more there are and how many more there will be with new updates, etc. Windows 7 was never that bad. Hence I find it amusing when people talk up security as a reason to not be on 7 any more and saying people should be moving to 10 but it isn't like 10 is in a good place at all. If this was another piece of software, etc. people would be warning people not to use it so I don't know why 10 isn't getting the same treatment - even less outcry than the Intel CPU vulnerabilities for some reason despite being just as concerning if not more so and even some people defending it.

Why on earth are you arguing about windows security issues in a graphics card thread?

 

[Rroff]

Why on earth are you arguing about windows security issues in a graphics card thread?

I can't even remember now. Someone was talking about whether the new GPUs would have drivers for older OSes IIRC.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

A lot of the security issues in 7 will have been found by now and most of the new ones aren't in code that is shared with 7. Obviously as time goes by if enough effort is put into it clever ways to exploit existing weaknesses may be found, etc.

That time has already passed - https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/23/w...TLow93UrMtltAKvjzF8dp0n1LA7DUP6DFFvO9BpwKR6pw

I'm not claiming it is a security strategy - people are too quickly assuming from key words in my post and not reading the rest.

Why else stick with it?

The fact is 10 isn't covering itself in glory on the security front with 100s of issues being found frequently many of which should not have been there in the first place which begs the question how many more there are and how many more there will be with new updates, etc. Windows 7 was never that bad.

That reads a hell of a lot like you're claiming it's a security strategy. 10 may not be great, but 7 is *worse* at this point because it has security holes *and* isn't receiving any patches.

Hence I find it amusing when people talk up security as a reason to not be on 7 any more and saying people should be moving to 10 but it isn't like 10 is in a good place at all.

But being on 10 is demonstrably better for security than being on an old version with known exploits that is never going to be fixed. It doesn't matter if 10 is not in a good place, 7 is in a worse place. It's like you're saying - "I don't like that new bucket, the handle's uncomfortable, and some of the water spills out when I carry it, I'm going to stick with my old bucket", while the rest of us look on in awe as all the water flows out of the massive holes in the bottom of your old bucket.

 

[Woodsta888]

That time has already passed - https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/23/w...TLow93UrMtltAKvjzF8dp0n1LA7DUP6DFFvO9BpwKR6pw




Why else stick with it?



That reads a hell of a lot like you're claiming it's a security strategy. 10 may not be great, but 7 is *worse* at this point because it has security holes *and* isn't receiving any patches.



But being on 10 is demonstrably better for security than being on an old version with known exploits that is never going to be fixed. It doesn't matter if 10 is not in a good place, 7 is in a worse place. It's like you're saying - "I don't like that new bucket, the handle's uncomfortable, and some of the water spills out when I carry it, I'm going to stick with my old bucket", while the rest of us look on in awe as all the water flows out of the massive holes in the bottom of your old bucket.

I dunno, W7 doesn't have all the telemetry that W10 does, forced updates etc etc etc. You don't need software or registry changes to turn it off in W7 because it isn't as prevalent as W10.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

I dunno, W7 doesn't have all the telemetry that W10 does, forced updates etc etc etc. You don't need software or registry changes to turn it off in W7 because it isn't as prevalent as W10.

It doesn't have *any* updates, that's the point, it's unsupported, there are known vulnerabilities in it that will never get patched.

 

[Jacky60]

If everyone bought the product the minute it came out there would be no more sales, why does it matter how long someone owned a card from, are they somehow inferior if they didn't get it at launch?

Yes, it's just plain wrong to wait more than a day after launch

 

[JediFragger]

Christ, enough with the OS stuff!

 

[labbby]

'Ladies and Gentleman, my names Paul'

No secondary chip

haha yeah i saw the secondary chip one

 

[tyler_jrb]

Since there are a whole load of assumptions being banded about in this thread as to who is upgrading and why, can I ask what you find lacking in your current card that makes you want to upgrade?

I wouldn’t mind a bit more performance to be able to comfortably hit 4k 60hz in upcoming titles such as assassins creed Valhalla and cyberpunk 2077 with ultra settings and perhaps RT enabled. And also be able to hit a consistent 144hz+ 1440p with max settings in MW/warzone which is one of my most played games at the minute. Although my Ti doesn’t have much trouble in MW/warzone 90% of the time.

I also wouldn’t mind it to potentially upgrade to 4k 144hz if the new lineup is capable enough.

Im exited but my current 2080Ti does do well, I haven’t really wanted for much more. Although that will likely change with upcoming titles.

 

[burtie]

If the 3080 is faster than my 1080ti for £700 I'll bite. I was right on the price increase lasts time, this time will be no different. And you'll all be disappointed. I only play sim racing games but do have VR, would like better performance in ACC.