I'm concerned about the drivers. Sure the consoles will be getting full support at the moment. I hope it doesn't impact the Big Navi launch. AMD need a good one.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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I did have issues with Drivers early on, can't deny that several of my rants are in the AMD drivers thread.
But the past several driver releases have been rock solid for me, no problems what so ever
I'm talking about the new drivers for Big Navi.I did have issues with Drivers early on, can't deny that several of my rants are in the AMD drivers thread.
But the past several driver releases have been rock solid for me, no problems what so ever
If resources are stretched I'm sure the consoles will take priority.
Remember the 2070S was a new chip so there had to be pre-planning involved. I agree the timing was to disrupt AMD and also agree Nvidia have got the wherewithal and know-how to launch worldwide. It's still a big operation though.
Wait and see...
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We don't know:
- the actual performance of next gen consoles (for instance next Assassin's Creed is 30fps);
- the actual performance of next gen cards;
We have a rough idea about how some of the next gen games look and none don't look "wow" while running 120fps@4k and are actually using lower quality methods of doing RT.
We know for sure they're not gonna achieve photo realism at above 120fps at minimum 4k.
Never mind AI and physics.
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There's lots of (wild) speculation in the Ampere thread regarding pricing.
What are your thoughts on Big Navi?
If we stick to the cost of the biggest card released prior to the console launch in US Dollars.
I'll kickoff with $849.
What are your thoughts on Big Navi?
If we stick to the cost of the biggest card released prior to the console launch in US Dollars.
I'll kickoff with $849.
£50-100 less than nvidia at same performance points.
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I am only reference IQ. Performance is a none issue for me.
Performance of next gen cards have lost considerable value to a manufacture's asking price do to nextgen console release.
It's wow'd me and a whole market that will buy consoles vs a minority share of the video card market, lol.
You are only fooling yourself if you think the combine market share of AMD/Nvidia top end skus will come close to the combined sales of nextgen consoles. Calling the sales of high end cards a "drop in the bucket" to next gen console sales is an overwhelming understatement.
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I am only reference IQ. Performance is a none issue for me.
Performance of next gen cards have lost considerable value to a manufacture's asking price do to nextgen console release.
It's wow'd me and a whole market that will buy consoles vs a minority share of the video card market, lol.
You are only fooling yourself if you think the combine market share of AMD/Nvidia top end skus will come close to the combined sales of nextgen consoles. Calling the sales of high end cards a "drop in the bucket" to next gen console sales is an overwhelming understatement.
If the performance is not an issues, then buy the cheapest RTX card, max it out and enjoy under 10fps
Can't say I've seen a lot of "wowed" people around the web. I wasn't. Probably because I've already played on higher than average/low settings a lot of games, at a lot at more than the 30fps on one hand. On the other hand, I've also played in the past at 30 and although certain genres are "good enough", is not quite a smooth sailing.
Sales numbers come from performance and price plus games that drive those. Next gen cards are not only this next gen, is all the next gens for the next 5-7years of this consoles life cycle.
Speaking of next gen, weren't a lot of performance intensive games demoed on PC?
You're exited about a consoles that offers the performance of 2nd, maybe 4th place from the top this gen (nothing to laugh at, but still not much considering it aims for 4k, preferably at more than 30fps - I already have that and .... spoiler alert, is not enough!), with less than stellar RT implementation and you're saying is... I don't know, perfect, close to it since what the PC brings is insignificant to you? Don't forget that UE 5 demo was only 1440p@30fps.
Each one has its own preferences. RT becoming mainstream through consoles is a good thing. PC will offer in time a more polished version, superior in both IQ and performance. For a price, of course and I know, a lot will say "but I don't care about those differences" while when/if they'll exist on consoles vs. some lower end PCs, they'll shout it from the roofs tops. Like now.
Next gen cards, offering similar performance to consoles will probably come around the same prices as those ones, maybe a bit cheaper. People who already game on PC in a more serious manner already have decent builds, so there's not really a need to upgrade everything else. By the time the requirements will go up, so will the performance available at different price tiers.
Anyway, until we have something solid we're all speculating and letting ourselves prey to wishful thinking.
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I think AMD will deliver above 3080 performance for $750, Nvidia will drop the price of a 3080 and then launch a 3080Ti to compete with Big Navi. The 3090 will be used as a halo product at a silly price but to give Nvidia the marketing claims it needs.
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I don't like the Ti moniker. They should drop it. It's confusing for average users.
3060, 3070, 3080 and 3090 is better.
3060, 3070, 3080 and 3090 is better.
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If the performance is not an issues, then buy the cheapest RTX card, max it out and enjoy under 10fps
Because they won't offer the games I like to play. Why would I put forth all that money on a video card were there is no guarantee it will provide the games I like to play. Perhaps I could play 3Dmark/Superposition but that's repeative and gets boring after 2-3 runs in a row.
Well, coming from a enthusiast video card arena I would agree with you. Any performance gains from last gen video cards are overshadowed of the fear in price hikes. I'm so glad I'm not tethered to just a pc were I have to hope that prices are affordable.
What's a 3070 going for $700??? Who knows and the fear continues until jacketman tells you. Did you know that their data center us now making more money then gaming? So now gaming isnt a priority for them now. Making them somewhat immune to price war against RTG.
Speaking of next gen, weren't a lot of performance intensive games demoed on PC?
You're exited about a consoles that offers the performance of 2nd, maybe 4th place from the top this gen (nothing to laugh at, but still not much considering it aims for 4k, preferably at more than 30fps - I already have that and .... spoiler alert, is not enough!), with less than stellar RT implementation and you're saying is... I don't know, perfect, close to it since what the PC brings is insignificant to you? Don't forget that UE 5 demo was only 1440p@30fps.
Yes, as always the case pre release consoles games are demoed on PC. But wasn't gpu sales eclipsed by console sales even though those very same consoles were vastly inferior? I mean if it's not equivalent to a mid range PC why are so many people buying them? Oh, I remember, the game selection. And the fact that it takes a magnifying glassed, still image shots to show difference in IQ between console and PC. I can't wait to see how these IQ reviews will go once game engines mature for console.
Each one has its own preferences. RT becoming mainstream through consoles is a good thing. PC will offer in time a more polished version, superior in both IQ and performance. For a price, of course and I know, a lot will say "but I don't care about those differences" while when/if they'll exist on consoles vs. some lower end PCs, they'll shout it from the roofs tops. Like now.
As of today RT in PC games hasn't provided anything of benefit. It lacks....prospective. From what I've seen used on consoles so far it's sparingly used and only as a highlight to rasterized games. I hardly call that level of adoption note worthy. Perhaps a blip on the radar, sort of speak. In other words game will look like they are suppose to look more or less. But I gasp at the need of more still images and magnifying glasses to show "differences".
I disagree. There are plenty who would need to overhaul their build which includes cpu, motherboard, ram, etc. As of right now there are no Intel chipsets that support PCIe 4.0. And if you don't want to buy a AMD cpu you are stuck waiting for Intel. Even I find it hard to believe but there are plenty of enthusiast out there that won't buy AMD CPUs do to their inherent higher latency. In which they find Intel's ring bus approach superior. So they won't buy AMD. But I digress, their loss I suppose.
But there is still the unreleased DDR5 who is to some...their savior. And if you recall correctly it will always be the higher voltage, lower speed 1st. Then after about a year the lower voltage higher speed variants will show up.
Which in it of itself another motherboard/ram upgrade. I find it incredibly hard to ignore this. Because by the time game engines mature on console and developers start pumping out games that are 10x more sensitive to bandwidth we, pc enthusiasts, have to upgarde our motherboard and ram do to planned obsolescence. With yet another next gen video card release (RDNA 3 and Hopper). The general consensus is to wait for DDR5 before upgrading at all. Which will be another year wait. Another year behind console dominance.
Indeed we are...isn't it fun
Therefore, with DDR5 and a 2nd gen video card release in the forecast it's hard to take PC gaming seriously at this time. Unless I want to be stuck in a circle jerk upgrading all the time. IE: 2 newer video cards, low end ddr5, another motherboard/cpu purchase isn't a smart investment in my book.
But we will see were the chips fall won't we? I seriously doubt this upgrade cycle of memory and video cards (and possibly Zen 3 if it's as good as rumored) would be a sensible option do to cost. Versus what you get out of a console in the long term. Unless it's 3dmark and superposition.
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Looking very likely now. Im betting on a lower flavour thats also released around the performance of a 2080S for around $600.
I would be happy with a product like that!
None of that pricing makes a lick of sense, it's saying that at $750 you will get 40% more than a 2080ti but $600 gets you 20% slower than a 2080ti... aye??
I mean I'd love it if someone was offering me a GPU for just $150 more for 60% faster GPU but that's not going to happen
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