AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[EastCoastHandle]

The consoles aren't even out yet. Give it a rest, yeah? You're not actually making a point.

It's all part of his master plan of trepidation

 

[Hedge]

Myself and a lot of other gamers who happily own pcs and consoles without bias will be able to enjoy next gen games on whatever platform. Unfortunately some strange people feel so emotionally invested in the performance of PC hardware that they will continue to lose their minds over benchmarks and resolutions.

PCs are superior because Nvidia / amd enable them. If they decided to shift their allegiance fully to consoles our pc master race would be left dead in the water.

Luckily they have enough of these special customers who actually think "look at me! My 1500 quid gpu can do 4k 60 and your 400 quid console can only do 4k 30! Losers!"

All while the people playing on the console are just minding their own business and enjoying their gameplay without a framerate counter in the corner of their screen.

GPU enthusiasts aren't even 'gamers' because if they were they would have a much less hostile attitude towards the one market that actually enables them to play some ports.

 

[LeMson]

This nitrous I'm huffing is good stuff, just read a post describing consolers as angels rather than foaming at the mouth fanboys #forreals

 

[gpuerrilla]

How ironic is the thread? A slow news week, maybe something to discuss today.

 

[five8five]

What's going on @humbug, I thought the
5700XT was as fast as the 2070S - 30% slower.

Don't worry though, I'm sure there's a bottle of Chateau du Plonk FS2020, vintage 2021 in the AMD wine cellar.

But seriously, due to the complexity, size and scale of the sim there'll be numerous patches, updates and optimisations and both AMD and Nvidia will release a number of driver updates.

 

[Stu999]

Luckily they have enough of these special customers who actually think "look at me! My 1500 quid gpu can do 4k 60 and your 400 quid console can only do 4k 30! Losers!"[/B]

Extremely optimistic on the console pricing. I agree with the point of your post though, doesn’t matter to me if people play on AMD, Nvidia or console.

How would people here feel if RDNA2 didn’t release until December?

 

[five8five]

Extremely optimistic on the console pricing. I agree with the point of your post though, doesn’t matter to me if people play on AMD, Nvidia or console.

How would people here feel if RDNA2 didn’t release until December?

Agree, extremely optimistic pricing. The recent Xbox rumour was $599. There are different console versions. The digital download only version will be cheaper.

AMD have said more than once that RDNA2 will be released prior to the consoles. The consoles are rumoured to be released at Thanksgiving (26/11). I suppose to justify the statement only one card needs to be released initially and another / others could follow.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yes they are all viable - not sure why people look down on console users as another entity or inferior.

When you say RDNA2 @Stu999 do you mean dGPU or consoles or both?

 

[Stu999]

AMD have said more than once that RDNA2 will be released prior to the consoles. I suppose to justify the statement only one card needs to be released initially and another / others could follow.

True, I forgot about that. Maybe they’re just waiting for the Nvidia announcement and then they can tailor their strategy accordingly.

@Th0nt - I was meaning dGPU.

 

[five8five]

True, I forgot about that. Maybe they’re just waiting for the Nvidia announcement and then they can tailor their strategy accordingly.

That's plausible. I've said it before, that looking after two console releases must be extremely resource intensive and if push comes to shove they'll take priority.

 

[gpuerrilla]

@Stu999 as with anything I rather a product was released working than rushed with a scramble to fix afterwards. As long as they announce accurate details and keep people informed it shouldnt be too bad. Lots of people seem to think though if its not near the nvidia release they will get battered the longer it takes.

 

[Jacky60]

It kind of does because the top end tier is used to pull up the midrange pricing a bit like a rope ladder. People aren't overly bothered by Nurofen costing x10 the price of generic Ibuprofen because they have the option and choice to get it instead in much the same way an RGB Strix 2080Ti ROG ninja edition GPU costing £1800 wouldn't be a problem if you had a generic founders edition at £700-800 but that doesn't exist. You could argue that 2080 fills that price range but its performance is last gen a well cooled 1080Ti can match it. I'm sure Nvidia would love to do away with tiers and completely blur the lines and comparisons with anything but that is so they can use marketing as a tool to convince you new products are worth their inflated asking price. You must see that surely....

Huh? What are you talking about?
The 5700 xt isn't a $1200 high end video card that can't do 60 FPS @ 1440p in a newly anticipated AAA gaming title (MS FS 2020). In which you are postulating as a value buy at a price suggested to be higher then 2070/2080 in a 3070/3080 simply because it's Ampere. Therefore, I don't see your point. But at this point this is becoming a circular argument.

A 2080ti performs pitifully in MS FS2020 at 4K and is costing minimum £1200 at the moment. That really is a pathetic amount of performance for the money. I'm sure RDNA2 can offer better performance per £/$ than that. I certainly hope and expect them to do a lot better. Nvidia are simply taking the pi$$.

 

[TNA]

What's going on @humbug, I thought the
5700XT was as fast as the 2070S - 30% slower.

Haha

 

[five8five]

A 2080ti performs pitifully in MS FS2020 at 4K and is costing minimum £1200 at the moment. That really is a pathetic amount of performance for the money. I'm sure RDNA2 can offer better performance per £/$ than that. I certainly hope and expect them to do a lot better. Nvidia are simply taking the pi$$.

Do you not think it's more to do with the sim. Look at AMDs flagship $700 card. Also the the PCIE4 5700XT performance is pitiful. Not sure why you think RDNA2 will solve it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The 5700XT is a rebranded RX680,with the same die size as Polaris.

 

[JediFragger]

The 5700XT is a rebranded RX680,with the same die size as Polaris.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ profits!!!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ profits!!!

Turing was a good opportunity. Make more money and still undercut Nvidia.

 

[humbug]

What's going on @humbug, I thought the
5700XT was as fast as the 2070S - 30% slower.

Don't worry though, I'm sure there's a bottle of Chateau du Plonk FS2020, vintage 2021 in the AMD wine cellar.

But seriously, due to the complexity, size and scale of the sim there'll be numerous patches, updates and optimisations and both AMD and Nvidia will release a number of driver updates.

Lets not be cherry-picking....

 

[Stu999]

@Stu999 as with anything I rather a product was released working than rushed with a scramble to fix afterwards. As long as they announce accurate details and keep people informed it shouldnt be too bad. Lots of people seem to think though if its not near the nvidia release they will get battered the longer it takes.

Yeah, that’s the issue I was getting at really. Whoever comes out first with a card that can hit 4K60 at top settings is likely to get my money. The risk for me is that the other card is much better or better value for money.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

A 2080ti performs pitifully in MS FS2020 at 4K and is costing minimum £1200 at the moment. That really is a pathetic amount of performance for the money. I'm sure RDNA2 can offer better performance per £/$ than that. I certainly hope and expect them to do a lot better. Nvidia are simply taking the pi$$.

If you want to play a specific game at a specific quality, performance per dollar isn't really a useful metric. An RX570 has great performance per dollar compared to a 2080Ti, but at 9 frames per second you wouldn't recommend it to anyone wanting to play Flight Simulator!

The fact is that at the top end the prices go up faster than the performance, and they do in most things. A bugatti veyron does not go ten times as fast a ferrari....

I hope that AMD can get a better price/performance ratio in their upcoming products. But I hope they do it by releasing some stunningly capable cards, not just by being cheap!