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Yeah was gonna say, I suspect its the July 2021 requirement.
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Good find. Terrible from Audi though. The very first etrons had the noise, so they must have disabled it.....and now having to find ways to turn it back on again.
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Just spoken with Audi. Every etron is going to be recalled to have this fitted. They are not ready yet as the system is still being tested.
That's what they told me anyway.
That's what they told me anyway.
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As others have probably said in this mahooooosive thread, until they reduce their prices, EV just won't catch on or up.
I dearly want one, but when a flippin corsa of all cars costs over £30k for its electric offering? Nah.....not yet!
I'm more likely to go PHEV because the charging infrastructure still isn't ready yet in the UK, so the ICE part of the car will alleviate EV range phobia.
That said, the PHEV version of my 3008 SUV GT is £49k !!!!!! So i'll be keeping my pug, which i love, a while longer yet.
I dearly want one, but when a flippin corsa of all cars costs over £30k for its electric offering? Nah.....not yet!
I'm more likely to go PHEV because the charging infrastructure still isn't ready yet in the UK, so the ICE part of the car will alleviate EV range phobia.
That said, the PHEV version of my 3008 SUV GT is £49k !!!!!! So i'll be keeping my pug, which i love, a while longer yet.
Funny, I have been making this point quite a bit on some of the EV forums. While people may want to help the environment and would consider an EV to do their bit, that goes out the window when you show them the prices.
£29K for a Renault Zoe with 100 miles of range
£30K for a Leaf
£30K for a E Kona when the ICE version is £18K.
£43K for a Tesla Model 3 with atrocious build quality issues. Luxury car prices for sub standard cars because "tech".
Those are prices you could get a decent spec BMW, Merc or Audi for. Sorry but a Leaf or a Zoe are not in any way desirable in comparison. If you want to entice normal people into an EV these are not the cars to do it. The usual retort is "but tax, grants and running costs", or "my Leaf will beat any of those form the lights". Neglecting that the average person will not be interested in those "perks" and do nowhere near the miles required to recoup the initial excessive costs.
I get that EV tech is still evolving, but it still has a long way to go and don't get me started on the infrastructure mess.
AVAS : As Oracle suggested, even if, legally, you're not obliged to have it until 2021, you'd want it now, to safeguard slow manouvers.
eg. backing out of a Asda space, self preservation, against trolley pushers
.... Is the throttle response on an EV in reverse, muted, a bit ? in an ICE manual, obviously, you, play, with the bite point
eg. backing out of a Asda space, self preservation, against trolley pushers
.... Is the throttle response on an EV in reverse, muted, a bit ? in an ICE manual, obviously, you, play, with the bite point
Not on a Tesla it isn't, I've seen photos on one of the Tesla facebook groups where someone has reversed in to a wall, you can put the car in chill mode to nerf the "throttle" but it's a couple of menus deep.
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So much misinformation in here still.
Prices are out for the new Skoda EV SUV, based on the VW MEB platform.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/skoda-enyaq-iv-revealed-first-bespoke-ev-316-mile-range
Not too much extra beyond the better specced and engined Kodiaqs. For example, a Deisel H&K Kodiaq is around £35k and a VRS one is around £45k - same ballpark cost for a similar car in the Skoda range, which is interesting. I bet they don't homologate it for towing though
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/skoda-enyaq-iv-revealed-first-bespoke-ev-316-mile-range
Not too much extra beyond the better specced and engined Kodiaqs. For example, a Deisel H&K Kodiaq is around £35k and a VRS one is around £45k - same ballpark cost for a similar car in the Skoda range, which is interesting. I bet they don't homologate it for towing though
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This is what they told me. Sounds like a software update, so when you take it in it might get done regardless
I really want my next car to be electric...Tbh, if I could get one with slightly more monthly PCP cost, I'd probably do it.
Currently in year 3 of 4 of my PCP at the moment and tempted to shop and see if I can get out early. No idea if that's even possible, I'm a relative car n00b.
Presumably easier to do so from the existing manufacturer. I'd be happy with going from a Corsa to a Corsa-e. Sure, it's a lot of money for a Corsa but it's top spec by default.
Currently in year 3 of 4 of my PCP at the moment and tempted to shop and see if I can get out early. No idea if that's even possible, I'm a relative car n00b.
Presumably easier to do so from the existing manufacturer. I'd be happy with going from a Corsa to a Corsa-e. Sure, it's a lot of money for a Corsa but it's top spec by default.
interesting 242 miles range from 60KWhr sounds good, for suv'ish category, but, they have decided to not to give it a very rapid acceleration,
does that enable battery cooling to be simplified ? was hoping VRS terminology indicated a nice estate with good rear visibility
The WLTP range figures are rarely ever reached, though some cars are better than others. Tesla is notorious for exaggerating their car range.
https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/econ...range-how-far-will-they-really-go-on-a-single
https://insideevs.com/news/407807/eletric-car-real-world-range-tested/
Though if it is similar to the VAG E-Tron then I expect the Skoda EV to reach 220+ miles real world range.
Can't speak for the others you've listed, but this is just made up nonsense.
The 50kwh Zoe will do almost 200 miles and is ~£26k for the top spec GT model with the CCS option added.
My 41kwh will easily do over 100 miles in the winter at motorway speeds and cost me significantly less than £29k with a load of options added.
If you're paying £29k for a 22kwh (which is the only explanation for thinking it has 100 miles of range) then I'm afraid you need your head examined.
I guess you're just parroting what you've heard elsewhere rather than looking at the finances yourself then?
I agree that the infrastructure has a long way to go, but with all the covid stuff going on and looking like I will be WFH for the near future, my mileage has dropped considerably and I've been looking at getting rid of the Zoe and just keeping our second car - a 2008 Fiesta.
Taking everything into account; residuals, fuel maintenance costs etc. even doing only 8k miles, the Zoe is costing ~£35/month more than a 12 year old car over 5 years - an amount which could easily be wiped out by a couple of large repair bills or needing to replace the Fiesta at some point during those 5 years (hardly an unlikely scenario for a car of that age).
So, £35/month to drive a new car which is better in every way except for range/refuelling speed. Sounds like a bargain to me, and even with the reduced mileage I'll be keeping it.
If you want to start comparing like for like - e.g. a new Clio then the numbers are even more in favour of the Zoe. A base spec Clio is what, £15k? Assuming 0% over 5 years, that's £250/month, plus ~£100 fuel on top. That's basically what I'm paying for the Zoe, and I know which I'd prefer!
Sure, if you only do 2-3k miles/year then you're unlikely to recoup costs, but at that point you'd be an idiot to buy a new car at all (the cost/mile would be horrendous!).
I don't know but I hope so. For my family wagon, I'll happily exchange less acceleration for lower cost (given the family moan at me for even mild acceleration in the skoda diesel!)
I did a quick Google and the Renault list price was from £28,795. As for range I saw R110 and made the mistake of assuming it meant range, so apologies there. So the range I was way off on and thanks for pointing that out. Price shows from £26K on further research (£22.5K with govt grant), to be fair hardly puts it into the wow factor considering what you get. A Renault Clio is a similar size and costs £14K. According to Autotrader, after 3 years ownership a Zoe will fetch around £8.5 trade in, Clio about £4.5K. I understand you can get grants etc but over 3 - 5 years ownership the financials on a Zoe look worse, not better all things considered.
Please don't take this personally but your own circumstances does not mean everyone is the same. For example if someone has a family and have £22-£23K to spend on a car a Zoe is not an ideal choice. Not if you consider for similar money a decent sized VW Tiguan is very viable and would be far more practical.
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You do also have to factor in road tax is £0 and it'll be hugely cheaper to run over those 3 years, the 'fuel' for an electric car can easily be 10x cheaper than petrol if not a more if you're happy to change your home energy tariff plus there'll be almost no servicing costs on an electric vehicle.