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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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RBImGuy said:
Rumor says a October 7 event for AMD Big DOG Navi announcement :D
Yay :cool:
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Well that timing is typically daft.....Hold an event AFTER your competition has had a couple of weeks at least to sell, sell, sell. Ampere supply is rumoured to be limited but I still think a mid September announcement would be
better. People need to be able to return their Ampere cards after seeing big Navi otherwise they'll not swap although availability could derail Nvidia.
 
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Imagine AMD sitting there and they've pulled one out the bag and Big Navi is a 3090 matcher and surprise us all... we can only dream, but that would be amazing and YET people would still buy nVidia, people like what they like... I like the way AMD is waiting now... professional, no knee jerk reactions and they might well be going, we don't care, we're releasing this at x price and it is what it is... I think it won't be the performance of the new gear at ALL that surprises AMD, they knew what nVidia were gonna release... it's the PRICE that will 100% have shocked them, I was amazed... and disgusted at the turnaround simply because nVidia now know they possibly have compeition... makes you think they have an idea on performance as well of Big Navi and thus needed to seriously cut costs instead of ripping people off again and again... nVidia are worried 100%, they didn't reduce prices for the "good of the people", nVidia are a horrid company who want to single handidly have the whole market to themselves... they're worried...

The question is, were they worried over nothing in the end? I'd laugh my head off if Big Navi is like 20% faster than 5700XT and isn't even a match for a 2080TI and nVidia needlessly reduced the prices, that would be hilarious lol
 
beany_bot said:
But the difficulty is, what is waiting? By that I mean what might be seen as waiting for one person is seen as jumping the gun by others.

Example: I have been accused be several people (mostly in this thread) of being incapable of waiting by saying that I was going to buy a 3080 at or around launch. And I get how people see that. "Oh it's just launched and he is jumping on it".

But what those people dont see is that I have been patiently waiting for over 2/3 years! Biding my time, watching the offerings, saving my money, constantly making buy or no buy descisions.
I skipped Turing, I waited. I didn't rate the offering and I waited. I've done my waiting thanks very much and as as a 1080 owner I am due an upgrade. I am not getting the frames I want in MSFS and my enjoyment is being held back now (for the first time with my card). Also I have been saving for several years so have cash I can drop with no impact on my finnances. So it is, in every measurable way, time for me personally to upgrade.

"Oh but AMD, why not wait for AMD". You mean like I was told to wait for 10 seires Intel chips when I said I was going to buy Ryzen 3700x? Look. There is ALWAYS something "right around the corner". But when I have the money, Im dissapointed in my current performance, I've spent years waiting and watching and I like the offering I am shown (not to mention Gsync) Then I am perfectly sensible to buy now.
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But there really isn't always something right around the corner the release cadence you quoted is typical. Every 2-3 years you get new releases and every 4 or 5 years you get alignment with release schedules. So several things e.g. GPUs from both camps and or CPUs and or consoles. Those alignments in release are typically the best times to buy hardware.
 
I think the likelihood is the AMD offering can only be positioned to compete against the 3070 and possibly the 3080, leaving them without anything at the top end unless their power consumption allows them to pull out a dual gpu on a single card. Maybe the reduced power draw will be advantageous if people have to factor in a new PSU to go down the higher performance NV route.
 
Jacky60 said:
But there really isn't always something right around the corner the release cadence you quoted is typical. Every 2-3 years you get new releases and every 4 or 5 years you get alignment with release schedules. So several things e.g. GPUs from both camps and or CPUs and or consoles. Those alignments in release are typically the best times to buy hardware.
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Agreed,just like all the people who bought a Core i5 7600K just before Ryzen was launched,or a Core i7 7700K just before the Core i7 8700K launched. Consoles are every few years,as is AMD/Nvidia release new uarchs.

LeMson said:
The 2070 was obsolete when the 2060 super came out, your friend dune messed up
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TBF,I did see some RTX2070 non-Super cards going for under £400 a while back. I think they were around £350ish!
 
Might pick up a couple of 2080 Supers for folding though now ahaha, seen a couple around £300 quid, may as well use them for something lol tempting.

However no matter what happens here, it's all good for; gaming, end users, 4k gaming in general now being truly doable... the only downside is the nVidia people who were ripped off, but then again without causing offence, tough, if you're willing to spend what imho is a disgusting amount of money on a GPU knowing that it's not actually worth it,,... then more fool you tbh... the 2080TI was never ever worth £1200 notes... ever... but they sold... very weird. For me that's like instead of paying £20k for a Vauxhall, you pay £30k... because you can...

However everyone to their own, but I know my mate who paid a fortune for his 2080, is now a bit cheesed... but you know what, you pay your money you take your risk! Simple.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Agreed,just like all the people who bought a Core i5 7600K just before Ryzen was launched,or a Core i7 7700K just before the Core i7 8700K launched. Consoles are every few years,as is AMD/Nvidia release new uarchs.
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OR Those who bought a 2080ti just before the 3080 launched or possibly those who buy a 3080 just before big Navi launches....;)
 
Jacky60 said:
If I were Lisa I'd also gimp performance on AMD motherboards with Nvidia cards by 5-10%. Maybe not quite that much so it would be hard to notice but something to give the bundle extra performance.
Call it AMD 'Advanced' or something and make it boost or artificially restrict a GPUs performance. It's what Nvidia and Intel would do ;):p.
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ANd like Intel and Nvidia, they'd get sued for it. But unlike Intel and Nvidia, AMD don't have the money to support dragging the legal process out to the point any fines are offset from profits made.
 
Jacky60 said:
If I were Lisa I'd also gimp performance on AMD motherboards with Nvidia cards by 5-10%. Maybe not quite that much so it would be hard to notice but something to give the bundle extra performance.
Call it AMD 'Advanced' or something and make it boost or artificially restrict a GPUs performance. It's what Nvidia and Intel would do ;):p.
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AMD needs variable rate shading and other tricks in order to increase its performance to levels more equal with what Nvidia offers as performance/quality.
Nvidia gimps quality somehow in the driver, so that the performance is artificially quite high and the Radeons with their higher image quality stand no chance to compete, whatsoever.
 
4K8KW10 said:
AMD needs variable rate shading and other tricks in order to increase its performance to levels more equal with what Nvidia offers as performance/quality.
Nvidia gimps quality somehow in the driver, so that the performance is artificially quite high and the Radeons with their higher image quality stand no chance to compete, whatsoever.
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Not this again.
 
4K8KW10 said:
AMD needs variable rate shading and other tricks in order to increase its performance to levels more equal with what Nvidia offers as performance/quality.
Nvidia gimps quality somehow in the driver, so that the performance is artificially quite high and the Radeons with their higher image quality stand no chance to compete, whatsoever.
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What?
 
4K8KW10 said:
AMD needs variable rate shading and other tricks in order to increase its performance to levels more equal with what Nvidia offers as performance/quality.
Nvidia gimps quality somehow in the driver, so that the performance is artificially quite high and the Radeons with their higher image quality stand no chance to compete, whatsoever.
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*hovers finger over report button*
 
Jacky60 said:
OR Those who bought a 2080ti just before the 3080 launched or possibly those who buy a 3080 just before big Navi launches....;)
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Just a small reminder, here in Romania, buying anything from EMAG (biggest store here) you can return it for 2 months for full instant refund. Other countries i imagine have something similar. So even if you were to buy a 3080 at launch ( in case you're worried about availability ) you could easily return it and get a big navi if it were to be better.
 
Biggest shock from NVIDIA for me was the price and performance of the 3070 and 3080. The 3080 is a fantastic card at £649. Its possible 20-30% faster than 2080Ti but £649 this is the card and need to tackle and they need similar performance, really think they should have given 3080 12GB ram but I think a 3080Ti is in the work with 12-16GB ram, its obvious they keeping that space for Navi. AMD seem to have nailed power efficiency but need performance now, hopefully next refresh in 2022 they can scale their die size, efficiency and architecture.

No way in hell they beating 3090, that card is a monster and might actually be worth its price tag with all that RAM.

I am crying for those that bought 2080Ti few weeks back and now the card is not even worth £350, sorry guys cant help but :p
 
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