AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Chuk_Chuk]

When Turding came out i had 1k for gpu and seen benchmarks and went like emmm 1k for this "Jump ?? " No thanks spent 1k on Exhaust with remap. This years 1k was supposed to be ps5 but 3080 looks like good upgrade from titan so they got my money. Will get raytracing for WoWs shadowlands and cyberpunk thats good enough for me. AMD would need to have faster than 3080 card for same price with raytracing to get me to buy theirs product. But NV got the RT market covered with spending moneys so they put it in games.

@Chuk_Chuk True as always I'm in market for RT as I said above and AMD not showed me anything interesting in that direction.

I'm assuming you mean at least 10% faster to make it worth waiting a month? Do you think they can actually achieve that? Can they even realistically achieve that?
You might as well not waste your time in this thread and go buy your 3080 when you can put your order down. You were a lost AMD sale, the minute Nvidia decided to launch first. No reason to pretend to be interested in the AMD card.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Coreteks literally made that up, he also thinks AMD best card will be no better than the consoles....

Unless Navi 22 launches first. We already know the GA104 is 398MM2,so I doubt a 56CU based RDNA2 will be bigger in size. AMD might even be able to use a 384 bit memory controller. A 56CU based RDNA2,if it boosts to over 2GHZ,should be able to catch or even exceed an RTX3070.

It might be quite possible,AMD goes with HBM2 with the 80CU part,so they can clock the core higher.

 

[4K8KW10]

hahah, yeah but you knwo what I mean, if there was a last minute problem with a core game we don't know, then they don't want to see that show poor fps... I'm just using that as an example.

AMD had a plan and a release schedule, they're not going to up and lift that to the demands of people whining and bitching on forums, nvidia had their plan, AMD had theirs, and they'll release when they release imho... I don't see a problem with AMD strategy at all and anyone who goes out and buys nVidia without seeing AMD and then whines and bitches again that AMD have released something that's better value for money than their 3080 , well tough on them, they should've waited. You'd think that the world was going to end if someone didn't buy a GPU, it's staggering tbh.

On the flip side, I think AMD will give us a concrete date for their release this week now, didnt' I see 7th October banging around for their release?

People aren't bitching for availability - they just request the cards to be available for purchase.
I also consider a purchase - the sooner the better.
Let's hope we get the release around the beginning of October.

If AMD then rushes the launch with a crap stock cooler,driver bugs,QA/QC problems,people will then moan about why AMD didn't wait another few weeks and launch the GPUs in a better state.

Better to launch what they have well,instead of in a half-arsed way,and people will then say might as well buy Nvidia,as the memes won't go away for the lifespan of RDNA2.

AMD needs to think of the entire lifespand of RDNA2 sales,not just the initial ones.

People are still sharing R9 290X cooler memes even now,and if AMD had delayed that launch another month or two,and had a much better stock cooler,or aftermarket models from launch,you wouldn't have this negativity about the GPU. The R9 390 was basically a rebranded R9 290X 8GB with better coolers at launch.

Edit!!

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Navi22 launches first too.

I don't think a GPU launch can be "rushed". Why?
Because you receive driver updates two-three-four times per month. So the next driver release could potentially fix everything.
What you get is:
1. Pre-launch teases;
2. Actual release event;
3. Starting of pre-orders - soft launch;
4. Starting of hard sales - with limited choice and quantity;
5. Ramp up both with more available models, pricing normalization and better availability.

During all these milestones, the company is more or less ready for purchases.

 

[LePhuronn]

A 56CU based RDNA2,if it boosts to over 2GHZ,should be able to catch or even exceed an RTX3070.

That's worst-case scenario. If AMD land the 50% ppw uplift then only 40 CUs would get AMD into 3070 territory.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't think a GPU launch can be "rushed". Why?
Because you receive driver updates two-three-four times per month. So the next driver release could potentially fix everything.
What you get is:
1. Pre-launch teases;
2. Actual release event;
3. Starting of pre-orders - soft launch;
4. Starting of hard sales - with limited choice and quantity;
5. Ramp up both with more available models, pricing normalization and better availability.

During all these milestones, the company is more or less ready for purchases.

The R9 290X was rushed. It took two months for 3rd party coolers to arrive,and some early ones had hardware issues. Turing was rushed - lots of early batch RTX2080TI had problems,and feature support was poor. The Fury X was launched out with barely any stock and defective AIO water coolers,which meant a very higher return rate.

In the end,rushing a launch like the R9 290X caused it such a poor reputation,that a simple rebrand with aftermarket coolers,made it look much better. At one point they were well under £200,and nobody wanted them,as its launch reputation basically ruined its sales.

So if people can't wait,then I expect they never wanted or could wait. Do you think if the roles were reversed and AMD was launching first,many wouldn't wait if they knew Nvidia had GPUs out in the next 1~2 months?

The fact is AMD needs to launch these GPUs in good stead,and with actual stock. Them panicking and then pushing out GPUs with crap stock coolers,poor QA/QC and buggy drivers,will mean sales will be doomed for the rest of the lifespan of these cards,and AMD will need to do another rebrand. First impression count.

That's worst-case scenario. If AMD land the 50% ppw uplift then only 40 CUs would get AMD into 3070 territory.

Maybe,but I would rather be conservative with them. I am going by a rough estimation of RTX3070 performance,and mostly by the CU increase to 56CUs,plus maybe higher clockspeeds(10%). If there is extra "IPC" over RDNA1,increased memory bandwidth,much higher clockspeeds,etc it could be more.

 

[Unseul]

I do wonder how many of the cards get sold in the first month, vs the next 11 months+. Is it really worth trying to rush a launch to grab the early adopters, or is it better to simply stick to your timetable for the longer term sales.

Let's be honest, the people that rush out an buy a brand new card on release are generally either going to be people who've waited years without upgrading (and will probably be willing to wait another month if they know potential alternatives are coming), or those that grab the best thing on offer at the time, in which case, they'll just sell on their card second hand and upgrade again if the AMD card is better.

 

[4K8KW10]

The R9 290X was rushed. It took two months for 3rd party coolers to arrive,and some early ones had hardware issues. Turing was rushed - lots of early batch RTX2080TI had problems,and feature support was poor. The Fury X was launched out with barely any stock and defective AIO water coolers,which meant a very higher return rate.

In the end,rushing a launch like the R9 290X caused it such a poor reputation,that a simple rebrand with aftermarket coolers,made it look much better. At one point they were well under £200,and nobody wanted them,as the reputation basically ruined its sales.

So if people can't wait,then I expect they never wanted or could wait. Do you think if the roles were reversed and AMD was launching first,many wouldn't wait if they knew Nvidia had GPUs out in the next 1~2 months?

The fact is AMD needs to launch these GPUs in good stead,and with actual stock. Them panicking and then pushing out GPUs with crap stock coolers,poor QA/QC and buggy drivers,will mean sales will be doomed for the rest of the lifespan of these cards,and AMD will need to do another rebrand.

3rd party coolers are available from previous generation models. I don't understand what exactly they needed to wait 2 months for if there is virtually no change from a graphics card cooler to a graphics cooler... They won't innovate something like RTX 3080 or RTX 3090's cooler that needs time...
RX Vega 64's coolers are fine, RX 5700 XT's coolers are fine. Just reuse them.

By the way, the cooler was teased many months ago with dual-fan setup.

 

[ljt]

There is a dilemma with AMD having completely different timetables and release windows for GPU's than Nvidia.

For example, I'm looking to upgrade my GPU. I don't care whether my next GPU is AMD or Nvidia. I just want the fastest for my budget.

With the current situation, Nvidia are launching a GPU in my budget on September 17th (RTX3080). As we know with every launch, there is always limited stock. If AMD launch their GPU's in October and I wait to see which brand performs better it could go either way;

Scenario 1 - Come October (or whenever they decide to launch) AMD does indeed release a faster GPU than the 3080 for same/cheaper = Great I get the AMD GPU.

Scenario 2 - Come October AMD doesn't release a card that is faster than the 3080 = I then have to go back to getting a RTX3080, only now, because I waited, they are all out of stock and/or overpriced meaning I'm left waiting until stock levels return to normal and prices have returned to affordable which could be well into next year.

I'm trying to avoid scenario 2! - If they both released within the same week, then it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Zeed]

There is a dilemma with AMD having completely different timetables and release windows for GPU's than Nvidia.

For example, I'm looking to upgrade my GPU. I don't care whether my next GPU is AMD or Nvidia. I just want the fastest for my budget.

With the current situation, Nvidia are launching a GPU in my budget on September 17th (RTX3080). As we know with every launch, there is always limited stock. If AMD launch their GPU's in October and I wait to see which brand performs better it could go either way;

Scenario 1 - Come October (or whenever they decide to launch) AMD does indeed release a faster GPU than the 3080 for same/cheaper = Great I get the AMD GPU.

Scenario 2 - Come October AMD doesn't release a card that is faster than the 3080 = I then have to go back to getting a RTX3080, only now, because I waited, they are all out of stock and/or overpriced meaning I'm left waiting until stock levels return to normal and prices have returned to affordable which could be well into next year.

I'm trying to avoid scenario 2! - If they both released within the same week, then it wouldn't be an issue.

Yup if stock will be poor after initial drop. We will have situation of 50pounds extra on top of rrp. Thats how i shoot myself in foot waiting for Fury X after 980ti came out. Had to pay 100 more than I would have done if i not waited for Overclockers dream.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

There is a dilemma with AMD having completely different timetables and release windows for GPU's than Nvidia.

For example, I'm looking to upgrade my GPU. I don't care whether my next GPU is AMD or Nvidia. I just want the fastest for my budget.

With the current situation, Nvidia are launching a GPU in my budget on September 17th (RTX3080). As we know with every launch, there is always limited stock. If AMD launch their GPU's in October and I wait to see which brand performs better it could go either way;

Scenario 1 - Come October (or whenever they decide to launch) AMD does indeed release a faster GPU than the 3080 for same/cheaper = Great I get the AMD GPU.

Scenario 2 - Come October AMD doesn't release a card that is faster than the 3080 = I then have to go back to getting a RTX3080, only now, because I waited, they are all out of stock and/or overpriced meaning I'm left waiting until stock levels return to normal and prices have returned to affordable which could be well into next year.

I'm trying to avoid scenario 2! - If they both released within the same week, then it wouldn't be an issue.

Its more marketing - restrict stock,to make people think they need to get one now,otherwise they will miss out. If Nvidia is having so much stock issues with Samsung 8NM/10NM which has been out for years,I am uncertain if its fixable for quite a while. I somehow doubt Nvidia would be moving to Samsung if it means they couldn't get volume!! They sell more GPUs than AMD. Samsung should be less constrained than TSMC as nobody wants to use them.

Edit!!

Nvidia has lots of Turing stock to also sell,it wouldn't surprise me once they ditch Turing stocks entirely stock will be magically at much better levels!

 

[Zeed]

Its more marketing - restrict stock,to make people think they need to get one now,otherwise they will miss out. If Nvidia is having so much stock issues with Samsung 8NM/10NM which has been out for years,I am uncertain if its fixable for quite a while. I somehow doubt Nvidia would be moving to Samsung if it means they couldn't get volume!! They sell more GPUs than AMD.

And It's a fantastic marketing thats howyou make money and dont devaluate product with flooding market and retailers doing price wars.Better Spoon feed productat enough to keepprice at RRP

Not likemost upgrade every year even every 2 years more like 4-5 years upgrades. So better cash in on that one sale cause u not gonna getmoney from the chap for next few years. Simple as that.

 

[ljt]

Its more marketing - restrict stock,to make people think they need to get one now,otherwise they will miss out. If Nvidia is having so much stock issues with Samsung 8NM/10NM which has been out for years,I am uncertain if its fixable for quite a while. I somehow doubt Nvidia would be moving to Samsung if it means they couldn't get volume!! They sell more GPUs than AMD.

I don't really care what the reasons for stock shortages and cost hikes are though, because I have no control over them. What I do have control over howver, is trying to get the fastest GPU for my budget. If companies release at the same time, that is much preferable. With disjointed release schedules it could go either way, and I won't overpay for something. I don't want to end up with scenario 2.

 

[thenewoc]

Spot on this is. AMD show me why on 17th i would not buy NV ?? Was not planning gpu upgrade but NV got Me hooked first time in 4 years

It doesn't need to be on the 17th though as the stock won't be shipping on that date and even if it was people would have their cooling off period to return it if AMD's release is better.

 

[ZeroG]

It doesn't need to be on the 17th though as the stock won't be shipping on that date and even if it was people would have their cooling off period to return it if AMD's release is better.

If the dates are that close surely any sensible person would just wait that little bit longer to see which will be the best choice for them?

 

[Zeed]

It doesn't need to be on the 17th though as the stock won't be shipping on that date and even if it was people would have their cooling off period to return it if AMD's release is better.

True so far they showed nothing they got 11 days lets see

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't really care what the reasons for stock shortages and cost hikes are though, because I have no control over them. What I do have control over howver, is trying to get the fastest GPU for my budget. If companies release at the same time, that is much preferable. With disjointed release schedules it could go either way, and I won't overpay for something. I don't want to end up with scenario 2.

AMD and Nvidia have launched at different times for most of their history. If AMD launches next month,that is more on the close side.

But you will probably overpay,because it gives an excuse for AIB partners to push prices up,because you want it. The same as people wanting the latest iPhone,because they are scared they won't get one for a few weeks because of shortages.

Nvidia just needs to drop tiny quantities of RTX3080FE models to justify the launch RRP. The AIB partners don't need to and if more of them are available at a higher price,people will pay more to be first . Plus we saw what happened with early adopters,ie,all the RTX2080TI failures,Fury X "eeeeeeeeeeeeee",etc.

 

[thenewoc]

I do wonder how many of the cards get sold in the first month, vs the next 11 months+. Is it really worth trying to rush a launch to grab the early adopters, or is it better to simply stick to your timetable for the longer term sales.

Let's be honest, the people that rush out an buy a brand new card on release are generally either going to be people who've waited years without upgrading (and will probably be willing to wait another month if they know potential alternatives are coming), or those that grab the best thing on offer at the time, in which case, they'll just sell on their card second hand and upgrade again if the AMD card is better.

I think they want Ryzen to be the sling competition into ropes followed by the GPU to be the slam down to follow up on.

 

[Zeed]

If the dates are that close surely any sensible person would just wait that little bit longer to see which will be the best choice for them?

Well people spending 600+ quid on GPUs are not most sensible are they Ill buy if something descent comes out in 2021 ill buy that and sell this. PCs for me always been Money pits just spending cash to not blow it up onpartying lol.

 

[ljt]

AMD and Nvidia have launched at different times for most of their history. If AMD launches next month,that is more on the close side.

But you will probably overpay,because it gives an excuse for AIB to push prices up,because you want it. The same as people wanting the latest iPhone,because they are scared they won't get one for a few weeks because of shortages.

Nvidia just needs to drop tiny quantities of RTX3080FE models to justify the launch RRP. The AIB partners don't need to and if more of them are available at a higher price,people will pay more to be first . Plus we saw what happened with early adopters,ie,all the RTX2080TI failures,Fury X "eeeeeeeeeeeeee",etc.

I won't overpay because I'm very stubborn! I won't pay any more than £649 regardless of whose GPU it is. If it is Nvidia I end up going with then it'll be their FE card, direct from them as they don't mess about with the prices unlike OcUK who change by the hour. However, if I have to wait for AMD to release, and their GPU ends up being a lemon, it means I have to go back to looking at Nvidia and the FE will have probably sold out by then and I won't get a Nvidia GPU @ £649 for months!

 

[Satchfanuk]

Yup if stock will be poor after initial drop. We will have situation of 50pounds extra on top of rrp. Thats how i shoot myself in foot waiting for Fury X after 980ti came out. Had to pay 100 more than I would have done if i not waited for Overclockers dream.

Allegedly there's only around 10k cards worldwide for the Nvidia launch