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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Sargatanas2511 said:
That's exactly what Nvidia did with their 21 years, 21 days thing? They made a lot of noise without saying anything at all but no-one pulled them up for it?
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apart from amd hadn't just a week earlier announced their new range of gpu's and release date and prices. thats the issue. we know amd are already playing catch up and have been for years, they need to start showing some urgency.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
Is it more vague or empty than the 21 years, 21 days slide?
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At this point from AMD, yes it is.

The sad truth is when Nvidia make a slide like this you know something big is going to happen.

AMD have to be much more direct because in truth AMD have been putting slides like this out for years and they rarely amount to anything.
 
GAC said:
apart from amd hadn't just a week earlier announced their new range of gpu's and release date and prices. thats the issue. we know amd are already playing catch up and have been for years, they need to start showing some urgency.
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And they have cut their lateness down from almost a year to a month? No urgency there right?

I will buy what turns out to be best be it Nvidia or AMD, but I do see double standards appearing for each company a lot here.

humbug said:
At this point from AMD, yes it is.

The sad truth is when Nvidia make a slide like this you know something big is going to happen.

AMD have to be much more direct because in truth AMD have been putting slides like this out for years and they rarely amount to anything.
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Actually it's less vague from AMD if anything. Look at the Nvidia slide which says "something is happening in 21 days" with nothing else to go on. Yes it was likely it was Ampere but until the announcement there was NOTHING confirming that.

AMD have clearly stated on Oct 8th it'll be Zen 3 and on Oct 28th it'll be RDNA2. That's telling you what you will get when you will get it.
 
I did tweet some sass at them for this... not that they'll ever see it, but I rarely tweet since it's a cesspool, felt that my input was necessary though ;)
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
And they have cut their lateness down from almost a year to a month? No urgency there right?

I will buy what turns out to be best be it Nvidia or AMD, but I do see double standards appearing for each company a lot here.



Actually it's less vague from AMD if anything. Look at the Nvidia slide which says "something is happening in 21 days" with nothing else to go on. Yes it was likely it was Ampere but until the announcement there was NOTHING confirming that.

AMD have clearly stated on Oct 8th it'll be Zen 3 and on Oct 28th it'll be RDNA2. That's telling you what you will get when you will get it.
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Its a calendar date, what is going to happen on that date?
 
LePhuronn said:
yeha, because allegedly it's a rubbish node with poor yields. So rubbish that in fact it's even rumoured that Nvidia are paying per working die, not per wafer. Nvidia could have the entire 8nm line to themselves, but if that line just doesn't produce very many dies then you'll still have supply issues.
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I don't know how you got that. I knew that the Samsung 8nm is an old process, introduced sometime in 2016. So I wasted an hour to locate a nondescript Russian website for D0 estimates. Here's a simulation of both 8nm and 7nm processes side by side (in that order)..and you will be able to find D0 in the header... it's robust. I believe all 8nm clients have shifted to TSMC to pack in more transistors, lower TDPs and not because the process yielded unacceptable defects

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Sargatanas2511 said:
At least the same as what happened on September 1st for Nvidia I would imagine. If they are talking about RDNA2 how could it get less than JSH standing in his kitchen talking about Ampere?
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If not a release, i would quite like to see what sort of Kitchen Lisa has.

If its another side with another date you can vent your frustrations right here, we will understand.
 
Well, at least we have a date to aim at. A little disappointed it’s that long and then extra on top before the release, but at least we have a solid timeframe, and we know both will be released this year

Hopefully the release date will be not long after the keynote

Good news in my opinion
 
humbug said:
If not a release, i would quite like to see what sort of Kitchen Lisa has.

If its another side with another date you can vent your frustrations right here, we will understand.
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Martini1991 said:
Which would be a failure, unless it's like 3080 + 10% perf.
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See this is what I mean. Nvidia announced a product and gave their own cherry picked benches, with no availability and everyone is ecstatic about it. AMD however MUST release a product that day and it MUST be faster, or it's a flop.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
See this is what I mean. Nvidia announced a product and gave their own cherry picked benches, with no availability and everyone is ecstatic about it. AMD however MUST release a product that day and it MUST be faster, or it's a flop.
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You're putting words in my mouth.
An event that's similar to Nvidia's 6 weeks after the 3080 has launched for RDNA2 is going to be a fail, why would it not be? The only way such an event for AMD wouldn't be a failure is if their product is faster, this is pretty much pure logic.

Let's say AMD do said event, and we don't know where it actually stacks up a 3080 in any great detail, why would you wait even longer? You'd just buy the already available Ampere cards, assuming one hadn't already.

Had AMD had their event first then that would change, however that's not what happened.
 
Martini1991 said:
You're putting words in my mouth.
An event that's similar to Nvidia's 6 weeks after the 3080 has launched for RDNA2 is going to be a fail, why would it not be? The only way such an event for AMD wouldn't be a failure is if their product is faster, this is pretty much pure logic.

Had AMD had their event first then that would change, however that's not what happened.
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I don't really see why going from being completely unable to compete, to offering a legitimate competing card would be a fail? Having 2 companies competing at the top is a great thing for everyone. Competition is good.

If Nvidia comes out on top I will buy Nvidia, if AMD comes out on top I will buy AMD. I don't see how being just as quick is immediately a fail though.
 
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