Netflix's Movie "Cuties"

coltpython3 said:
This is disgusting. ******** neo-liberal ideology being pushed onto people and telling them that this is "normal"
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This is the frothing I was hoping for but was worried it wouldn't be delivered :D

Someone could also make up an informative Venn diagram of those ~!DEFEND ALL WOMEN!~ posters in this thread and ~!I'M ALPHA MALE BANGING HARDBODIES!~ posters from the 'How does a guy like this get a girl like that?' thread and realise that there is only one circle.
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
This is the frothing I was hoping for but was worried it wouldn't be delivered :D

Someone could also make up an informative Venn diagram of those ~!DEFEND ALL WOMEN!~ posters in this thread and ~!I'M ALPHA MALE BANGING HARDBODIES!~ posters from the 'How does a guy like this get a girl like that?' thread and realise that there is only one circle.
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So you're ok with this movie? And those that find it inappropriate are wrong? I'm just making clear where you stand
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
This is the frothing I was hoping for but was worried it wouldn't be delivered :D

Someone could also make up an informative Venn diagram of those ~!DEFEND ALL WOMEN!~ posters in this thread and ~!I'M ALPHA MALE BANGING HARDBODIES!~ posters from the 'How does a guy like this get a girl like that?' thread and realise that there is only one circle.
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I aspire to be a **** take on your level bud.

But when it comes to this kiddy-fiddly ****, is it the hill you want to climb and die on?
 
robgmun said:
So you're ok with this movie? And those that find it inappropriate are wrong? I'm just making clear where you stand
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Well, that depends. Am I okay that the movie raises challenging points about difficulties of young girls growing up, the way they're viewed by their peers, the way they're viewed by adults (which is what's getting this thread riled up), and how all of that doesn't play nicely? Yes, broadly speaking I am, in the context that a movie doesn't have to be - and rob, for a supposed film critic you should know this - shouldn't necessarily want to be liked by its audience. Messages in film, or literature, are often unpalatable and I'm okay with that in the same way I'm absolutely okay that people have the right to not like a particular message or theme.

My point was that the same people who are going all Daily Mail on a film because they're so outraged about how girls are being treated are mostly the same ones from the other thread where they're banging (lol) on about being alpha male stud lords but that's okay because all women are manipulative, cheating whores, who are only good for a shag anyway, am i rite lads, eh eh eh? It'd be comic if they weren't so lacking in self-awareness.

Gray2233 said:
I aspire to be a **** take on your level bud.

But when it comes to this kiddy-fiddly ****, is it the hill you want to climb and die on?
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I don't think you understood the post of mine you're quoting.
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
Well, that depends. Am I okay that the movie raises challenging points about difficulties of young girls growing up, the way they're viewed by their peers, the way they're viewed by adults (which is what's getting this thread riled up), and how all of that doesn't play nicely? Yes, broadly speaking I am, in the context that a movie doesn't have to be - and rob, for a supposed film critic you should know this - shouldn't necessarily want to be liked by its audience. Messages in film, or literature, are often unpalatable and I'm okay with that in the same way I'm absolutely okay that people have the right to not like a particular message or theme.
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1) The things I've seen children doing in clips from this film are things that children should never be told to do on camera. Period. If you wanted to make a film depicting oversexualisation of adults this way - or, let's say for the sake of argument, this was all animated, and it was a hentai game depicting oversexualisation of kids in anime - I might actually buy that excuse. But as it stands, you've got a whole group of adults, telling children, who don't know any better, to perform sexual acts in front of the camera. That's kind of inherently unacceptable IMO.

2) Making a social commentary on oversexualisation is a difficult subject in general, because a lot of people will just unironically enjoy that. However, the way you avoid this problem is by showing as little of the actual sexualization as possible, and by making it happen off-camera as much as possible. Like, imagine if you showed some 20-year-old guy walking up to an 11-year-old and going "Hey cutie, I saw that twerking video you made, wanna hang out sometime?" You don't even have to show the actual video. Just draw attention to how uncomfortable this is.

The clips I've seen posted was...what, two whole minutes? Of kids just performing lewd dances in front of the camera? With no other interaction? Get outta here with that. That is way too much sexualization and way too little commentary.

The excuse that it is a message designed to make you uncomfortable or whatever is being pratted on about is a load of crap. You could have done this by using adult actors portraying kids or hell, making it an animated production. They did not have to use kids. They did. You are defending this. It is beyond unacceptable. Trying to say 'that's the whole point' is a crappy deflection from the actual issue - in fact, I'd say if this film was actually trying to show something as explicitly bad (and not seemingly glorify it as the clips seem to do), they've failed entirely because all the attention is on what the hell went wrong with this production and not whatever... message was trying to be told.
 
Tephnos, that's a lot of words you've used to then not quote the part where I refer to my previous comment. For reference as I'm sure it was unintentional on your part rather than a deliberate mis-representation:

me said:
My point was that the same people who are going all Daily Mail on a film because they're so outraged about how girls are being treated are mostly the same ones from the other thread where they're banging (lol) on about being alpha male stud lords but that's okay because all women are manipulative, cheating whores, who are only good for a shag anyway, am i rite lads, eh eh eh? It'd be comic if they weren't so lacking in self-awareness.
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[FnG]magnolia said:
Well, that depends. Am I okay that the movie raises challenging points about difficulties of young girls growing up, the way they're viewed by their peers, the way they're viewed by adults (which is what's getting this thread riled up), and how all of that doesn't play nicely? Yes, broadly speaking I am, in the context that a movie doesn't have to be - and rob, for a supposed film critic you should know this - shouldn't necessarily want to be liked by its audience. Messages in film, or literature, are often unpalatable and I'm okay with that in the same way I'm absolutely okay that people have the right to not like a particular message or theme.
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Very well said. I wish to be as articulate :)

[FnG]magnolia said:
I don't think you understood the post of mine you're quoting.
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:D
 
BowdonUK said:
I wonder if some people making the point that girls do sexy dances already, realise if its uploaded online and you download it, you're on a very thin line with breaking the law.
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I just had to put some padding around this point. I'm not talking of examples I've seen in video, I'm speaking of seeing girls doing this in real life. Family members and their friends, school kids across the road from me in the park, even bloody competitions at the shopping centre! If you'd ever care to mingle with us lower classes it'd be evident that this movie is an accurate depiction of modern life for quite a large demographic.

That being so, should the anger and rage for this not be directed towards those poisonous influences, the music industry? Perhaps it is them who are even pushing this drama to stay out of focus.
 
NVP said:
I just had to put some padding around this point. I'm not talking of examples I've seen in video, I'm speaking of seeing girls doing this in real life. Family members and their friends, school kids across the road from me in the park, even bloody competitions at the shopping centre! If you'd ever care to mingle with us lower classes it'd be evident that this movie is an accurate depiction of modern life for quite a large demographic.

That being so, should the anger and rage for this not be directed towards those poisonous influences, the music industry? Perhaps it is them who are even pushing this drama to stay out of focus.
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Yeah some people just have no idea.
 
NVP said:
I just had to put some padding around this point. I'm not talking of examples I've seen in video, I'm speaking of seeing girls doing this in real life. Family members and their friends, school kids across the road from me in the park, even bloody competitions at the shopping centre! If you'd ever care to mingle with us lower classes it'd be evident that this movie is an accurate depiction of modern life for quite a large demographic.

That being so, should the anger and rage for this not be directed towards those poisonous influences, the music industry? Perhaps it is them who are even pushing this drama to stay out of focus.
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I think people understand the message of the movie, they just don't think you can justify the content because of the message. You seem to be under the impression that people are just missing the point of it.
 
Roar87 said:
I think people understand the message of the movie, they just don't think you can justify the content because of the message. You seem to be under the impression that people are just missing the point of it.
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If the point is known then why only be outraged at a fictional, professional depiction without any voice toward the highlighted issue itself?

Zatoichi.uK said:
Punches man in face*

See how bad violence is!?
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It seems some folk don't care for any influential medium and prefer mind-numbing escapism to thought provoking realism. Each to their own, but don't disregard with such a simple overstatement.
 
NVP said:
I just had to put some padding around this point. I'm not talking of examples I've seen in video, I'm speaking of seeing girls doing this in real life. Family members and their friends, school kids across the road from me in the park, even bloody competitions at the shopping centre! If you'd ever care to mingle with us lower classes it'd be evident that this movie is an accurate depiction of modern life for quite a large demographic.

That being so, should the anger and rage for this not be directed towards those poisonous influences, the music industry? Perhaps it is them who are even pushing this drama to stay out of focus.
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I bolded the text in the quote. What is that supposed to mean? I am of the lower/working class. The only person who ever had an office job in my family was me helping fix computers after I left college, then had to leave that job due to my disability. My parents worked manual jobs all their lives (mills, engineering, plumbing and building), grandparents worked in the mills (as well as grandad being a ww2 soldier, then became a post man until he retired), great grandparents worked in shops moving items around the warehouses and on to the shop floor, then greatgrandad went and fought in ww1. When he returned home he worked on the railway transportation engineer group until he moved to the town I'm in and retired. Please do not assume I'm of another class just because of I disagree with the film.

Maybe I wasn't clear in my posts. I've not said that that this stuff doesn't go on. Girls have been dressing up and trying to act older for years, even before the Internet or social media. I think its part of their growing up experience. But these days we're seeing it exploited.

You're right on the final point about music industry influences, and other industries too that encourage this behaviour. I've mentioned in previous posts that the promotion of stupidity started in the mid to late 90s when people doing silly things were promoted like it was amazing. Things have gotten worse since e.g. The Kardashians. They become big because of Kim, a nobody, was on a sex tape that got released to the public. Why or how they got promoted to the levels she did, who knows.

At the very least this film was a clumsy attempt at a serious subject. It distorted its own message so it could shock people.
 
NVP said:
If the point is known then why only be outraged at a fictional, professional depiction without any voice toward the highlighted issue itself?
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It's not acceptable to a large number of people to film very young teenage girls in a sexually provocative manner on the grounds that it's highlighting an issue, because as much as it might be highlighting an issue, the film itself is basically material that a paedophile might actually watch for enjoyment, and we're releasing it on Netflix. Do you not see a problem there? Where do you draw the line on highlighting issues? You can't just say we can depict anything in a movie as long as it's done in a manner deemed to be bringing attention to the issue. You can bring attention to things without showing an 11 year old girl with her legs spread open in a skin tight pair of shorts.
 
So from that I can see your issue with the movie is that a paedophile might jack off to it, yes? Well then I have news for you buddy...
 
NVP said:
It seems some folk don't care for any influential medium and prefer mind-numbing escapism to thought provoking realism. Each to their own, but don't disregard with such a simple overstatement.
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I really don't need an exhaustive analysis of this film to know it has quite clearly crossed a line. Thanks for the not so thinly veiled ad hominem though.
 
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