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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Troezar said:
Keep saying it but AMD are going for price to performance. I reckon everyone but the very high end will get a decent affordable upgrade.

If you have the best performance at 75% of the price points the majority will buy it. The high end users on this forum aren't even a consideration. If AMD can double or triple their market share at midrange and below that would be huge.
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A bit sad as I would like them to slug the top spot out but not overly disappointed as I wouldn't be able to afford a 3090 or navi with that commandant performance. However as I am the new age 'mid-range' buyer, I wouldn't say no to roughly a 3070 for around £400 segment.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
80% of the market want an Nvidia card. The other 20% want the best price to performance.
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Its idiotic though isnt it? Where the high end you may get the 'best' performance by going nvidia, you always get the anomaly such as the 5700XT. What I mean is even though people think the 2060S or 2070/S are better cards as they are priced higher the 5700XT was the better card. If the people deconstructed or analysed this information they would realise that siding with one brand due to the mindshare is not always the sensible option.

And by that slant, going back to the %, as 80% will be buying low to mid range (see steam hardware stats), your better off not going nvidia...
 
Th0nt said:
Its idiotic though isnt it? Where the high end you may get the 'best' performance by going nvidia, you always get the anomaly such as the 5700XT. What I mean is even though people think the 2060S or 2070/S are better cards as they are priced higher the 5700XT was the better card. If the people deconstructed or analysed this information they would realise that siding with one brand due to the mindshare is not always the sensible option.
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To be fair, those pre-ordering are going for the 3080 which is near the high-end which AMD have historically over the last 2-4 years not really competed with.

So I can see why they'd think to not wait and just buy NVIDIA.

However I am perplexed by some posts on the NVIDIA thread. People have already decided to buy cards and are even panicking about gaining internet access to pre-order ASAP despite the fact that we don't have benchmarks in hand the ones which were leaked in China were really quite underwhelming.

Even more puzzling is that some of these users seem to be running 1080p/1440p screens where clearly the 3XXX series are overkill and they'd be better served putting that money into display, audio or input methods.

I guess this is what hype-related marketting and the scarcity mindset "omg what if they sell out on a GPU... which is going to plummet in value in 12 months...".
 
aoaaron said:
Even more puzzling is that some of these users seem to be running 1080p/1440p screens where clearly the 3XXX series are overkill and they'd be better served putting that money into display, audio or input methods.
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Personally I have no interest in higher than 1440p for gaming (mostly) I find it the sweet spot personally. I do like my framerate to be decent though.

There are exceptions though - racing games, space games, etc. where I'm using a controller of some nature I do like to play at 4K.
 
Rroff said:
Personally I have no interest in higher than 1440p for gaming (mostly) I find it the sweet spot personally. I do like my framerate to be decent though.

There are exceptions though - racing games, space games, etc. where I'm using a controller of some nature I do like to play at 4K.
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I run a 77'' CX so I'd prefer 4k but 1440p looks okay on the screen for most games which aren't heavy on the detail. Add some NVIDIA sharpen and play with the super resolution setting on the TV and it looks ok.

But I am perplexed by people who will throw money at NVIDIA blindly when they're going to get limited benefit other than a few FPS at 1080p or 1440p.
 
Then again, people queued outside costco and filled their trolleys up with toilet paper. Why am I surprised that the same traits are here in the PC world...
 
aoaaron said:
To be fair, those pre-ordering are going for the 3080 which is near the high-end which AMD have historically over the last 2-4 years not really competed with.

So I can see why they'd think to not wait and just buy NVIDIA.

However I am perplexed by some posts on the NVIDIA thread. People have already decided to buy cards and are even panicking about gaining internet access to pre-order ASAP despite the fact that we don't have benchmarks in hand the ones which were leaked in China were really quite underwhelming.

Even more puzzling is that some of these users seem to be running 1080p/1440p screens where clearly the 3XXX series are overkill and they'd be better served putting that money into display, audio or input methods.

I guess this is what hype-related marketting and the scarcity mindset "omg what if they sell out on a GPU... which is going to plummet in value in 12 months...".
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Yeah Im glad you can see some of the absurd choices. My point was not digging people buying high end actually, it was highlighting that AMD are these days stronger at certain price points like the entry (RX 570) and mid range (5*00). This round although nvidia are trying to pretend they are doing you a favour on pricing a) AIB are going to be much more or inferior quality b) by being cheaper this should make AMD even lower too.
 
The problem is if AMD aren't willing to put up a fight, if they are seen YET AGAIN to settle for mediocre, to "ah well lets just knock out a mid range card and go home." AMD will never build any credibility or mindshare, they will always be seen as the pound shop alternative for people who are skint.

This is why its crucial for AMD to put their very best forward, not just settle for the best margins sector. AMD have to be seen capable of brining the fight to Nvidia.
 
Troezar said:
Keep saying it but AMD are going for price to performance. I reckon everyone but the very high end will get a decent affordable upgrade.

If you have the best performance at 75% of the price points the majority will buy it. The high end users on this forum aren't even a consideration. If AMD can double or triple their market share at midrange and below that would be huge.
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only when you command the halo product position too
 
aoaaron said:
However I am perplexed by some posts on the NVIDIA thread. People have already decided to buy cards and are even panicking about gaining internet access to pre-order ASAP despite the fact that we don't have benchmarks in hand the ones which were leaked in China were really quite underwhelming.
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We will have benchmarks (at least for FE), they release at 2pm on Wednesday.

I’ve gone back and forth on what to do but I’m aiming for a card that will do 4K60 at highest settings which the 3080 seems able to do at a price I’m willing to pay.

If I can get one on Thursday I will, if not and stock remains limited I will wait for the AMD cards and all reviews.
 
The 3090 is a 3080 +25% for £1500, its such an open goal.

Nvidia are saying AMD can't get close to it, so £1500, are they right?

JediFragger said:
Then you have to ask, is their anybody who would buy a £1000/1200 AMD card? At least in the numbers needed?
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Probably not, so don't make many of them, but do send them to reviewers to get them on bar charts. If you don't sell many don't make many, no harm done, if you do sell many its a win.
 
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