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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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I was doing some arm chair stuff regarding shader throughput:

Workload distribution
Int 35%
Fp16 13%
Fp32 52%

3080 expected output, full utilisation at 1.71 GHz:
11.1 tera IOPS
4.1 half precision teraflops
16.6 single precision teraflops
Total 31.8 tera ops
There's a hard cap on int units so this is just a very good approximation

I am looking into the rx5700 to extrapolate performance of big navi, haven't been successful yet
 
Gonna say something a couple of things im sure some will disagree with. Firstly, why couldnt NV produce sufficient RTX FE RTX 3080s and sell them for £650 again? Theyd get snapped up again at that price ofc, assuming the FE editions dont have the crashing issues. Also, wont NV want to give AMD a run for their money when the RDNA2 series is finally released? That would be difficult if the RTX 3080 prices are still ~£800.

Secondly, what was so wrong with charging £1200 or more for the RTX 2080 TI? Sure, few could afford it, but the RTX 2080 Super wasnt far behind the TI (9-10% apparently) and was significantly cheaper.

And yet, some brought the RTX 2080 TI anyway - Conclusion - NV is not particularly worried that some disapprove of high prices for premium products, because they can sell them anyway!
 
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Hedge said:
Ah fair enough I see your thinking.

Unfortunately though there are countless numbers of people who don't care about spending silly money. Even though it props up this overpriced market. :(
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I suppose first time buyers might go 3080Ti as a compromise. I understand your sentiment but I can also see why those with a decent income, that have their PC as their main interest, would spend for the best.

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I wonder if the 3090 will end up seeing a short shelflife. Maybe nvidia will discontinue it when the 20gb 3080 is released and maybe that'll be the Ti, and follow that up with the Titan-A.
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That is a good point and quite likely now you mention it. I'm changing my opinion now. They can drop the 3090 once they know what AMD have, bring in the 3080Ti at £1000 and as you say maybe a fully enabled Titan at £2,500. Probably be a few miffed 3090 owners but 99% of people would be happy.
 
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I only care about in-game benchmarks and real-world performance. If it is 100% in actual games then I will gladly eat my proverbial hat.
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Dx11 SLi works really good.. you can even unlock higher performance using nvidia inspector.. it even works with extremely old games like freedom fighter, just got that from a relative of mine and am playing it as of now, supposed to be created by the makers of Hitman
 
Nablaoperator said:
Dx11 SLi works really good.. you can even unlock higher performance using nvidia inspector.. it even works with extremely old games like freedom fighter, just got that from a relative of mine and am playing it as of now, supposed to be created by the makers of Hitman
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Just to be specific, are you are you telling us about your experiences with dual 3090's in SLI?
 
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no 2080 ti, 3090 doesn't support it as I replied earlier.. SLi is good, don't know why it is hated, and now it's been killed
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Ok well I am talking about the 3090, and by "SLI" it's clear that I mean the multi-GPU implementation that it uses. It will take a while to change the terminology in my head after knowing and saying "SLI" for over 2 decades.
 
You know I stumbled upon something very Peculiar. The popularity of Psus that are 1000watts and higher are hard to find. Evga, Cosair, Seasonic, etc. which wasn’t the case a few s months ago.

Now, I don’t believe it directly related to ampere. I can only assume that ryzen and Rdna 2 also played a role.
 
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You know I stumbled upon something very Peculiar. The popularity of Psus that are 1000watts and higher are hard to find. Evga, Cosair, Seasonic, etc. which wasn’t the case a few s months ago.

Now, I don’t believe it directly related to ampere. I can only assume that ryzen and Rdna 2 also played a role.
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I swapped to 1200w psu for ampere, just to keep the psu at peak efficiency and close to zero rpm fan. 850w would have been fine but it would be less efficient and louder
 
EastCoastHandle said:
You know I stumbled upon something very Peculiar. The popularity of Psus that are 1000watts and higher are hard to find. Evga, Cosair, Seasonic, etc. which wasn’t the case a few s months ago.

Now, I don’t believe it directly related to ampere. I can only assume that ryzen and Rdna 2 also played a role.
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I'm not sure. I don't expect my 750W Ti Seasonic (£135 OCUK sale) to have any issues. I think the over buying might be at the lower end of the market for a bit more of a margin.
 
Kopi says Nvidia is preparing a GA103 RTX3070ti for big Navi, Nvidia doesn't think it needs to compete with big Navi using GA102(RTX3080)

If true, Nvidia believe big Navi is faster than the 2080ti/3070 but not fast enough to beat the 3080 and but Nvidia believes Navi will have a good price, so Nvidia is making a card that's that cheaper than the 3080 and matches big Navi
 
g67575 said:
Gonna say something a couple of things im sure some will disagree with. Firstly, why couldnt NV produce sufficient RTX FE RTX 3080s and sell them for £650 again? Theyd get snapped up again at that price ofc, assuming the FE editions dont have the crashing issues. Also, wont NV want to give AMD a run for their money when the RDNA2 series is finally released? That would be difficult if the RTX 3080 prices are still ~£800.

Secondly, what was so wrong with charging £1200 or more for the RTX 2080 TI? Sure, few could afford it, but the RTX 2080 Super wasnt far behind the TI (9-10% apparently) and was significantly cheaper.

And yet, some brought the RTX 2080 TI anyway - Conclusion - NV is not particularly worried that some disapprove of high prices for premium products, because they can sell them anyway!
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they didn’t produce enough 3080’s because they launched to early to beat amd to the market. Nvidia started production (so did aib) in august and launching in September was never going to get a good level of stock ready for launch they didn’t have enough lead time for it. Pc partner who own zotac and sapphire can make 400k graphic cards a month on the product lines (only one I could find information for) I would expect others to have differnt amounts they can make but it doesn’t look good for stock.

founders edition also suffered with issues of crashing to desktop. All type of card people was reporting stability issues which the driver fixed.

One amd employee said that they will have ample stock at launch which I persoanlly find hard to believe. I don’t know if amd will have a 3080 killer or they could beat it or not come close I’m really not to sure on that But amd have a lot of balls up in the air atm

with console custom chips being made and a whole new family of cpu being made and possibly 3 new graphic cards if leaks are true that’s a lot of chips being made from TSMC and does amd have enough allocation from them for all the SKU they will be putting out that’s the bit that worries me the most and amd could be in the same position as nvidia with sky rocketing prices just like nvidia. Never mind the scalpers.
 
Grim5 said:
Kopi says Nvidia is preparing a GA103 RTX3070ti for big Navi, Nvidia doesn't think it needs to compete with big Navi using GA102(RTX3080)

If true, Nvidia believe big Navi is faster than the 2080ti/3070 but not fast enough to beat the 3080 and but Nvidia believes Navi will have a good price, so Nvidia is making a card that's that cheaper than the 3080 and matches big Navi
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The 3070 ti will be based on ga104 (gigabyte leaks). the ga103 will have approx 8000 CUDA cores, and if it can sustain higher clock speeds can come very close or beat the 3080.. so it might be a new refreshed version of 3080, that's a possibility as well, how they go about branding it remains to be seen
 
Grim5 said:
Kopi says Nvidia is preparing a GA103 RTX3070ti for big Navi, Nvidia doesn't think it needs to compete with big Navi using GA102(RTX3080)

If true, Nvidia believe big Navi is faster than the 2080ti/3070 but not fast enough to beat the 3080 and but Nvidia believes Navi will have a good price, so Nvidia is making a card that's that cheaper than the 3080 and matches big Navi
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I don’t think we can infer that much without more info. While I appreciate he says to counter big navi it doesn’t necessarily have to be aimed at countering the big one, we know there are likely 6700, 6800 and 6900 at this point. It could be that they know the 104 can’t compete on perf with eg the 6800, while putting out a further cut down 102 as a 3070Ti wouldn’t be able to be price competitive for example.

Or of course if you go back to the GP100 vs GP102 for example the 102 was faster... so it’s not guaranteed that a full 103 might not actually be faster or as fast as a cut down 102 but at a cheaper price. Given he suggests that it is in fact replacing the 102-200 it suggests that this scenario is perhaps the most likely... very similar performance but with a smaller non cut down chip because they expect AMD to have 3080 level performance at a price they can’t compete with on 102-200 based cards.

Or indeed it could be that the top Navi comes in somewhere between the 3070 and 3080 but will significantly undercut it in price and they need a cheaper chip that can perform better than the 104 but doesn’t need to perform as well as the 102-200.
 
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