AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Absolutely Clueless]

The next train due on platform #1 is the AMD Express direct to Hypetown

I was fully on board the 3080 hype train, but the rail got unstable shortly after launch and I fell off the train... I will likely be forced to wait for RDNA 2 anyway.

 

[Howling]

Its hurting my brain too I wouldnt say 5700xt is 50% as fast I would say its 50% slower. As in 1/2 as fast as a 3080. So 3080 is twice as fast which is 50% faster than a 5700XT. Therefore 3080 is 100% on that scale. If it was 100% faster to me it would be 150% on that scale. Its too late who cares whats right or wrong I'm off to bed.

You need some maths lessons... But I think I see where/why you're going wrong, so maybe this helps.

The 5700XT is half as fast as the 3080, so 50%. In this statement, the 3080 is the reference point.
The 3080 is 50% faster than a 5700XT -- this statement is incorrect, because you've changed the reference point to the 5700XT. The 3080 is TWICE as fast, 200% = twice.. so to get from 100% to 200% you don't add 50%...

Let's use real figures to illustrate this further;
You have 2 numbers, A=100 and B=50
50% of A = 50 (half of 100)
Add 50% to B; you get 75. (half, 50%, of 50 = 25.. add that to the base value of 50 and you get 75)
To make B equal to A, you have to add 100% to B - since 100% of B is 50, so 100%+100% or 50 + 50 = 100.

Basically, it matters what your reference point is.

 

[Zeeflyboy]

As in 1/2 as fast as a 3080. So 3080 is twice as fast which is 50% faster than a 5700XT.

Incorrect. Twice as fast is 100% faster... 1.5 times as fast would equal 50% faster. if it helps, think of it as requiring an entire extra 5700XT (ie 100% of another one) to match it.


Edit - or if the percentages are confusing you, just think of it as points or FPS or whatever arbitrary unit you like.

If the 5700XT was scoring 50 points, if as you suggest the 3080 was 50% faster it would score half that number of points again, or 50 + 25 = 75. If as is actually the case in that graph it is 100% faster, it would score all that number of points again, or 50 + 50 = 100.

 

[TNA]

The next train due on platform #1 is the AMD Express direct to Hypetown

Fixed:

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

 

[gpuerrilla]

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Fixed:

 

[SpudMaster]

It's amazing people will argue with you that it's true because he said it.

yeah because Nvidia have never lied to us to get sales I suppose if it makes people feel better....

 

[Grim5]

Can we please have some sort of moratorium on Red Gaming... the dude is whack.

Should probably throw Jayz on that blacklist as well

and moores law is dead
and coreteks

all trash

 

[Greebo]

That's not how maths works. Of the 2080Ti at 76% would be around 52% faster than the 50% marker of the 5700XT.

*edit* Which does sound a bit high to me to be fair. Though it has been a while since I looked at 4k benches between the 2.

high to me also, most game by game comparisons show the 2080ti to be 25% to 30% faster.

 

[Sumanji]

Did I accidentally wander into a Year 7 maths forum...

 

[Richdog]

Did I accidentally wander into a Year 7 maths forum...

Not sure what you mean, all looks normal to me.

Its hurting my brain too I wouldnt say 5700xt is 50% as fast I would say its 50% slower. As in 1/2 as fast as a 3080. So 3080 is twice as fast which is 50% faster than a 5700XT. Therefore 3080 is 100% on that scale. If it was 100% faster to me it would be 150% on that scale. Its too late who cares whats right or wrong I'm off to bed.

 

[Nablaoperator]

That combined with the rumoured CU increases and clockspeed bumps would make it far too good to believe... So for my own sanity I choose not to lol.

No that's wrt to GPUs that don't have shared L2..i don't know if that's the case with old navi

 

[Nablaoperator]

There seems to be a paper that suggests 22% IPC increase for a new cache hierarchy (don't know if it will be implemented).. so those 5120 cores are effectively equal to 6250 nvidia cores

Now if I were to assume a boost clock of 2200 MHz vs. 1710 MHz for the 3080, the nvidia equivalent count works out to 8040 cores at stock

 

[Soapysage]

Now if I were to assume a boost clock of 2200 MHz vs. 1710 MHz for the 3080, the nvidia equivalent count works out to 8040 cores at stock

Where if we're comparing core counts we really should be comparing it to 2080Ti cores instead of Ampere with the false doubling of cores

 

[Nablaoperator]

Where if we're comparing core counts we really should be comparing it to 2080Ti cores instead of Ampere with the false doubling of cores

The Rx 5700 doesn't seem to have a dedicated int path either.. couldn't find any evidence to that effect.. the dedicated int path seems to be a Turing specific feature

 

[Nablaoperator]

Fixed:

Looks outdated, this seems more likely:

 

[Mr G]

All these leaked specs are great, but if all this is true will we see sufficient stock levels to settle the demand? I sense months of waiting again.

 

[Phixsator]

All these leaked specs are great, but if all this is true will we see sufficient stock levels to settle the demand? I sense months of waiting again.

Really don't care at this point, can't afford it anyway until in a few months and even if I could I would rather wait a month or 2 and see how the dust settles before making a choice. If things don't look so good, as in performance is lackluster(hard to believe) or price is poor (more likely) well, I'm just gonna ride my V64 for another 2 years and save the money.

 

[Mr G]

Really don't care at this point, can't afford it anyway until in a few months and even if I could I would rather wait a month or 2 and see how the dust settles before making a choice. If things don't look so good, as in performance is lackluster(hard to believe) or price is poor (more likely) well, I'm just gonna ride my V64 for another 2 years and save the money.

Funny you say this but my 2070s is doing fine, don't need the upgrade yet but all depends on prices and stock before I consider anything.