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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Soapysage said:
That goes along with what a few others have said, AMD's version of RT is very fast at low/medium quality levels, the ray-box rate, so 'performance' mode as per what Nvidia call it, would have very little hit on fps on RDNA2, however for 'quality' mode, increasing everything up to ultra RT, would cause a bigger hit and drop it down to between 3070 and 3080 levels.
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Ah yep that sounds about right. From what I understand, the Ray box is calculating what parts of the scene need to be traced (Navi 21 has 28% advantage) and Ray tri does the tracing (Ampere has 54% advantage) - so architecturally speaking AMD's solution is faster at computing what it needs to do, but slower at doing it - this leads onto what you mentioned, in scenes with light amounts or lower quality of ray tracing AMD's solution could be faster than Nvidias but if the ray tracing quality or amount settings are turned up, Nvidia takes the advantage back - at least that seems to be the case if this chart is correct
 
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melmac said:
So, where do I stand on this? If I had to make prediction, then I would say that it won't be much different than the Nvidia launch with regards to stock levels. There will be a small stock of cards at launch that will quickly sell out because demand for new cards at moment seems to be at an all time high. Combine that with how bad the Ampere launch went with regards to stock, driver issues etc the demand for AMD's cards will be even higher.
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True. Im hoping that:
a) People have invested in consoles or
b) People stick to the mindshare and think AMD have bad drivers

in order for launch stock to be enough for the 'fanboys' to pick up before drying up.
 
Stu999 said:
Felt in screen tearing :p
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I don't remember any screen tearing in the past. Even if it was there, it's not a problem.
Also, Freesync is there, do not know how it works or what its area of operation is but again - historically in the past I don't remember screen tearing as a problem.

I do remember micro-stuttering, heavy stutter and lag, though.
 
Keeping an eye on these. The last time I had an AMD (ATI) card was probably 2004. It was a noisy, hot beast that consistently crashed :D I assume more modern AMD cards come in quieter variants, and when these are released there will hopefully be silent AIB models?
 
Just wondering, aside from ray tracing, is there a new driver feature enabled from AMD thats to come with this?

This is one of the most tight lipped AMD gpus so far ignoring performance, but from a feature set in my opinion.

I would be happy around 3080 performance as long as the features are there.

I care not for Ansel, RTX voice, (if you own a good cardioid condenser or dynamic microphone, they do an amazing job at background rejection), I want features that are used directly in games.

What we gonna see next, RTX skrillex, drop that bass when you get 30 FPS in MS flight sim with ray tracing feature?
 
Wrinkly said:
Next year will bring Nvidia's Supers...
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There won't be a Super. There isn't anything that can be Super'd except for maybe doubling the RAM. Certainly the GPUs don't overclock and there's not that much of a performance difference between the 3080 and 3090 (although there is a big price gap to fill), and the performance gap between the 3070 and 3080 is likely to be small too.
 
Raelgun said:
Just wondering, aside from ray tracing, is there a new driver feature enabled from AMD thats to come with this?
I would be happy around 3080 performance as long as the features are there.

I care not for Ansel, RTX voice, (if you own a good cardioid condenser or dynamic microphone, they do an amazing job at background rejection), I want features that are used directly in games.
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What are you currently on, I take it not AMD? You should give the existing features a look, RIS , chill and anti-lag. Not sure what new stuff is coming, Im sure it will be shared on 28th.
 
LePhuronn said:
There won't be a Super. There isn't anything that can be Super'd except for maybe doubling the RAM. Certainly the GPUs don't overclock and there's not that much of a performance difference between the 3080 and 3090 (although there is a big price gap to fill), and the performance gap between the 3070 and 3080 is likely to be small too.
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Only option Nvidia would really have is bowing to TSMC's higher prices and putting Ampere on that 7nm but that would require a lot of extra work.
 
LePhuronn said:
There won't be a Super. There isn't anything that can be Super'd except for maybe doubling the RAM. Certainly the GPUs don't overclock and there's not that much of a performance difference between the 3080 and 3090 (although there is a big price gap to fill), and the performance gap between the 3070 and 3080 is likely to be small too.
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3070 and 3090 are 2 SMs short of a full core - would be a bit of a weird scenario with not much room for a 3080S unless the 3090 gets changed out for a much faster Titan card and a node shrink.
 
LePhuronn said:
There won't be a Super. There isn't anything that can be Super'd except for maybe doubling the RAM. Certainly the GPUs don't overclock and there's not that much of a performance difference between the 3080 and 3090 (although there is a big price gap to fill), and the performance gap between the 3070 and 3080 is likely to be small too.
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They will be able to increase VRAM speed.
 
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