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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Vince said:
The Xeon might extend it a few years. The question is, is it worth it? Even the Xeon is going to get slapped about by mainstream stuff now and the platform still has some value. Personally id get shot and buy a celeron :)
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PCIe 4 will be dead by the time he considers it ;)
 
KentMan said:
Yet people are still calling this a victory because the one smart thing Nvidia done was basically hang out to dry their 2080ti owners by giving their customers a 3080 cut down Vram card that performs a lot better at two thirds the price.
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2080Ti owners knew what they were doing in much the same way 3090 owners are doing now, I have zero sympathy for any concerns over high depreciation it was simply the price of buying into that product or simply throwing it over the fence at some other person in the 2nd hand market

Nvidia's recent launch in terms of delivery was the worst in memory, Turing was the worst in terms of product/performance/reliability and therefore imho worst overall because the 3080 (as long as you don't pay too much) is not a bad product.

anyway fingers crossed for a good Zen3 launch today and I'm still hoping for a strong Big Navi show later this month not long now
 
Grim5 said:
Sales volumes are pretty high, but Nvidia could have seen it coming. The RTX3080 launch sales volume was higher than the GTX1080, GTX1080ti, RTX2080 and RTX2080ti combined!
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Sales volume was always going to be high, even people who only upgrade mid tier or aim for the best Perf per £ wanted this card, because sub £700 as was supposed to be MSRP, this card is an absolute monster, especially as it gave the 2080ti a good beating at two thirds of the price.

If you are offered a card that performs 35% better than the previous halo card but only costs two thirds the price, its almost a no brainer, especially for people rocking 4k setups, i mean this card literally makes 99% of games playable at max settings at 4K (ok maybe a slight exaggeration but you get the idea)

So Nvidia offered something that they have not for a while, and that is ridiculous price to performance ratio.... The problem is, there was plenty of rumors beforehand that the initial price would only ever be hit in extreme short amounts for a minimal amount of time and that the prices would go up, as margins were lower than partners would normally receive.

Not surprising MSI started selling cards on Ebay as they were making less cash per card than normal.

On Paper, 3080 @ under £700 MSRP is steal... the problem is, it is on paper only, as the reality now is, we will arguably never see it in plentiful volume at those prices.
 
KentMan said:
And like you, i have my concerns about the lack of Inventory from AMD as well, a lot of eggs in one TSMC shaped basket for them, with Consoles, CPUs and GPUs all being manufactured via that one foundry owner.
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From the way you have worded your post, your concerns seem to be misplaced. If there are supply issues it is most likely AMDs fault and theres alone. I don't see TSMC messing up, they aren't new to this. How long have they been handling Iphone launches for? As well as Nvidia launches?
 
Vince said:
The Xeon might extend it a few years. The question is, is it worth it? Even the Xeon is going to get slapped about by mainstream stuff now and the platform still has some value. Personally id get shot and buy a celeron :)
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I'm not in a hurry to send money Intel's way. And on a personal note buying AMD would be very much a last resort. So I've been holding on to my money until pushed.

EDIT: The other issue is only the 1650 and 1680 v2 overclock as far as I'm aware - there are some nice Xeons available to this platform but you are limited to blck overclocking which rarely gives you more than 5% before everything becomes unstable.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
Nvidia's recent launch in terms of delivery was the worst in memory, Turing was the worst in terms of product/performance/reliability and therefore imho worst overall because the 3080 (as long as you don't pay too much) is not a bad product.

anyway fingers crossed for a good Zen3 launch today and I'm still hoping for a strong Big Navi show later this month not long now
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*Claps* OK just catching the 11:30 train here to HypeTown - see you guys there..!
 
Greebo said:
Link? I mean there are some models from some manufacturers where nobody in the world except reviews have the cards and we are more than 2 weeks after launch.

I read somewhere that Nvidia only had 5000 cards ready for worldwide launch. If that is the same as previous launches then it just proves that they were paper launches as well. It was the same with the 1080 launch. I waited 93 days for my preorder card ordered on launch day. I presume Nvidia miscalculated demand then as well?

Or perhaps if at every launch they keep making so few cards that nobody can buy one for three months that perhaps its them not making enough which is the issue rather than demand?

I mean comparing the 3080 numbers to the appalling 1080 launch shortages for three months and saying you are making as many as you did with 1080 is just about getting the demand being more than expected. You should at least expect demand as strong as 1080 was and made enough cards accordingly.
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For instance https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/34040697

A typical GPU launch has only been 5000-10000 available worldwide so it is on the low side but not hugely so but demand has been lower in the past.
 
Richdog said:
That's because nothing about Nvidia massively underestimating demand makes logical sense when you look at the insane levels of hype surrounding the launch even many months before, and taking into account the numbers of card shipped to suppliers vs what they ordered (many articles have been published recently providing figures for that from major retailers). You are pretty much the only person I have seen who genuinely and inexplicably believes, against the ever-mounting evidence showing otherwise, that Nvidia massively underestimated demand.

Bull. Crud.
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Not sure how closely you followed the Ampere thread but it certainly wasn't all positive hype. High pricing and low percentage performance increases were recurring themes.
 
five8five said:
Not sure how closely you followed the Ampere thread but it certainly wasn't all positive hype. High pricing and low percentage performance increases were recurring themes.
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That is true but it was fairly obvious a good number were going to buy anyway despite complaining about the price and potential small performance increment. But trying to turn that kind of hype into actual sales projections is another story - there is often a lot more interest than there is sales in a product.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
To make sure we have all bases covered Big Navi is:
1.)Slower than an RTX2080TI
2.)Faster/similar than an RTX2080TI
3.)Slower than an RTX3070
4.)Faster/similar than an RTX3070
5.)Slower than an RTX3080
6.)Faster/similar than an RTX3080...

all at the same time. That should cover all the leaks!!

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Just about covers it :D
 
Grim5 said:
6900XTX appears, seems AMD's top card might be a dual GPU PCB?

AMD's first MCM GPU or Crossfire?

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1314099938255605761
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The dual GPU info is not in that link, where are you getting this info from?

As for a reference only top card, the Radeon VII was reference only.

It wouldn't surprise me if AMD followed Nvidia's lead and had a reference only Titan like card of their own.
 
Rroff said:
That is true but it was fairly obvious a good number were going to buy anyway despite complaining about the price and potential small performance increment. But trying to turn that kind of hype into actual sales projections is another story - there is often a lot more interest than there is sales in a product.
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Just meaning it wasn't until just before the reveal that Hype Train got up to speed.

I did think the world economy would impact spending but it doesn't seem to have. The PS5 and XBX launches also disprove that theory.
 
five8five said:
Just meaning it wasn't until just before the reveal that Hype Train got up to speed.

I did think the world economy would impact spending but it doesn't seem to have. The PS5 and XBX launches also disprove that theory.
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I'm amazed at the spending going on - and wondering how many are doing it on credit that is going to come crashing down. I work in distribution/logistics and the demand for consumer goods is not showing any sign of slowing down with this situation it is crazy - some seem to be spending like they expect the world to end tomorrow.
 
Rroff said:
For instance https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/34040697

A typical GPU launch has only been 5000-10000 available worldwide so it is on the low side but not hugely so but demand has been lower in the past.
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That proves nothing.

Nvidia has said demand was 4 times higher than expected. Looking at that link there are around 3300 3080 cards ordered from that one shop.

over two weeks later that shop has had 344 cards delivered and only half the available models.

So unless Nvidia is lying and demand is more than 10 times more than expected, there has never ever been enough stock even if demand was only 10%.

So no I dont buy the demand issue. Yes its higher than expected and yes I don't doubt its the biggest demand launch ever but when one shop, just one, orders enough cards for the entire world production of your cards that is more than underestimating demand.

OCUK took orders more two the three times the entire worlds available cards.
 
Rroff said:
I'm amazed at the spending going on - and wondering how many are doing it on credit that is going to come crashing down. I work in distribution/logistics and the demand for consumer goods is not showing any sign of slowing down with this situation it is crazy - some seem to be spending like they expect the world to end tomorrow.
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A good proportion of people have benefited massively from WFH and have loads of money extra. This is demonstrated by the spending on consumer goods and the increases in property prices. Elsewhere, a huge number of people have suffered, eg retail, self employed, hospitality, travel. How this will all play out who knows, perhaps a big divide is brewing between those who have jobs and those who shortly won't.
 
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