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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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The key thing I took away was, if I stick with AMD I'll be competitive. I'll take a slightly lower price for slightly lower performance, seems fair.
 
No way that's the top performing Navi21.

Keeping quiet all this time, leaving AIBs in the dark on performance, quashing of sources of leaks for months only to reveal your hand during a preview 3 weeks before the launch presentation?

I don't buy it for 1 minute.
 
4K8KW10 said:
RTX 3080 CoD: MW: 91 FPS.
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Not even in Ultra.
CoD MW is a hard one to compare because we dont know if its singleplayer or multiplayer (multiplayer runs better, singleplayer has higher IQ) and it has loads of settings, a few which people always turn down/off for competitive reasons.
 
That sneak peak at RX6000 FPS at 4K is right where I expected it to be, nipping the heels of the 3080. But now we watch as the usual suspects come here and declare the hype train derailed. I said it over a month ago before 3080 launched in tiny quantities that:
  • Nvidia were over hyping 3080 by 15%+ (true)
  • Real performance was likely to be closer to 40% faster than 2080Ti and not the 50% Nvidia promised. (It is closer to 30% faster in fact) Link
  • Nvidia had priced 3080 that low because RX6000 was probably close to it in performance because Nvidia never do consumers favours.
  • That with XBX performance known we could expect an ~80CU RX6000 GPU would be right around 3080 performance.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/33905812/
 
Wrinkly said:
Show me AMD competing with the 3080 in Control with RT on (NO DLSS) and I'll cancel my 3080 order.
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I have no interest in selling you a GPU, i don't get commision on them.

If you were actually interested in an AMD GPU you would have waited to see what they offered before trying to purchase a 3080, but you didn't (My orginal point). Also lets be real here, at what price? I'm assuming you would expect them be faster than a 3080 for the same price as a 3080, which lets be honest is an unreasonable requirement. Enjoy your 3080 when you get and don't worry about what AMD has to offer.

five8five said:
But they're in a queue.......
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They've already invested money the only thing that is getting them out of the queue is getting the card quicker or AMD offering more performance for the same amount as whatever tier of card they are getting.
 
Dontrocktheboat said:
So to sum it up, in cherry picked games it loses to 3080.
By a bit but loses.


Cool. That's pretty good for me. Price and availability is the key now!
CPU on NOV5? GPU DEC5??
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Probably some games faster than the 3080 but overall 2-4% behind - makes sense how nVidia reacted if so as well with the 3080 on GA102 and keeping the performance crown with the rather odd 3090 offering. Wouldn't be good for the mindshare if AMD was competing with the 3080ti.

Given how quick they were to knock Intel where they had them and the language used I'll be surprised if they are sandbagging here - if they had something waiting in the wings that could demolish the 3080 they'd have shown some of their hand.
 
aoaaron said:
Is it really derailing? So they've basically matched the 3080 with more VRAM. Isn't that what most AMD users wanted? If they hit a cheaper price point, its a very very viable alternative to NVIDIA. The 3090 for most of us is an irrealvant grossly overpriced card. It's all about the 3080. The main question then becomes, do you trust in RTX + DLSS to be widely adopted moving forwards or do you trust in that 6GB of VRAM to come in more use moving forwards?
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Yes, I am in your former point, the latter point not enough adoption or games to make it worthwhile. Pair this with waiting on after Christmas to be able to get hold of a 3080, yeah jog on nvidia.
 
aoaaron said:
Is it really derailing? So they've basically matched the 3080 with more VRAM. Isn't that what most AMD users wanted? If they hit a cheaper price point, its a very very viable alternative to NVIDIA. The 3090 for most of us is an irrealvant grossly overpriced card. It's all about the 3080.

The main question then becomes, do you trust in RTX + DLSS to be widely adopted moving forwards or do you trust in that 6GB of VRAM to come in more use moving forwards?

DLSS for me is great BUT there are two games I wanted to play where it wasn't implemented recently. RDR2 and HZD. Heck, I haven't actually played a game I've wanted to where DLSS is used (will change with Cyberpunk).

As someone who isn't a fan of either company, I'm torn if this is the case on who to buy from.

I expected AMD to flop and come under the 3070 performance and better it in a few games. If its matching the 3080... given the new consoles are based on AMD architecture...
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Agree totally, as a 20 series owner DLSS is not supported in ANYTNING I have used the last year, and RTX even in the 3080 tanks FPS below what is usable to me, so basically DLSS and RTX are moot and a waste of money.

I'm a fan of healthy competition and low prices, AMD should be getting a pat on the back but for some reason you got idiots posting Strix OC 3090 benchmarks and claiming the AMD train derailed VS and unknow, unannounced card in Big Navi2.

At this point the people shooting the AMD stuff down are just proving how stupidly thick they are and how much they have bought into Jensens bull****, honestly you guys need a reality check.
 
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