AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

gpuerrilla · 9 Oct 2020 at 23:41

g67575 said:
It's not pointless, only from the narrow perspective <10% of gamers, who demand more than 60 FPS at 4k resolution.

Maybe there's a version planned with a 5-10% perf. increase with higher clocks, but it isn't ready yet or AMD would've shown this GPU's perf.

They can stick an X on the end and charge a bit more, maybe throw in even more VRAM

Yeah that is basically my guess on what will happen. Its enough to show they are in the high end space again, but not enough to make a bold statement like "we rule the GPU gaming segment too". Lets face it they would be saying that if there was a card good enough. This card is still being put through its paces and not ready for shelves - so possibly a 'coming soon to shelves by Christmas' to follow on from the 3080 competitor.

Soapysage · 9 Oct 2020 at 23:44

Th0nt said:
Yeah that is basically my guess on what will happen. Its enough to show they are in the high end space again, but not enough to make a bold statement like "we rule the GPU gaming segment too". Lets face it they would be saying that if there was a card good enough. This card is still being put through its paces and not ready for shelves - so possibly a 'coming soon to shelves by Christmas' to follow on from the 3080 competitor.

Or the fact they have an actual separate event to show off RNDA2 performance is where they'll be like, "Look we take the crown now" instead of just randomly teasing the best card at the end of their CPU announcement, which was purely to be like, look, we've got good cards coming.

Peter75 · 9 Oct 2020 at 23:49

DDH said:
Is anyone in here impacting your way of life? Otherwise interfering or impacting your day to day activities? No, then why do you care what people have passion about. This is a thread about a GPU release on a tech forum for a store than sells computers components, and you expect people to be showing their passion about climate change?

I'm not advocating you use your passion specifically for climate change, I was merely using it as an example of something maybe more worthwhile of THIS much passion. I could have used any example.

Impacting my way of life? No, not at all. I was just merely pointing out that the the feverish amount of passion you guys seems to be showing over something so trivial and the die hard loyalty you so zealously afford a corporation that's sees you as a walking wallet is just a little strange and lets be honest, embarrassing.

But hey, you do you, go RED team, or whatever.

gpuerrilla · 9 Oct 2020 at 23:56

Seriouly @Peter75 if you think this is the waste of passion you should also go vent in the team GREEN threads there are 80% more of them to stand on your mountain and shout DRAGO!!!!! about.

Hotwired · 9 Oct 2020 at 23:56

Peter75 said:
you do you

There needs to be a name created for people who decide to voice their outrage and simultaneously say it doesn't matter to them.

Basically a case of old man yelling at clouds.

Parsley · 9 Oct 2020 at 23:57

There isn't as much fanboyism here as you think there is. There is a lot of discussion and some hopefulness alongside a helping of trolling, but bar the occasional little rise, not so much raging fanboyism.

gpuerrilla · 10 Oct 2020 at 00:00

Parsley said:
..not so much raging fanboyism.

The crown for raging is over on the queue thread for the 3080, poor guys are being well shafted by the lack of communication and after paying could be waiting weeks.

g67575 · 10 Oct 2020 at 00:02

Peter75 is already getting jumped for that 1 comment, the nerd rage hath awoken. You have attacked one of their sacred cows.

Parsley · 10 Oct 2020 at 00:03

Th0nt said:
The crown for raging is over on the queue thread for the 3080, poor guys are being well shafted by the lack of communication and after paying could be waiting weeks.

Oh I've done my own moaning in there as well but it's more to do with OcUK rather than the cards.

I could be waiting weeks myself, but I don't mind waiting. Anything is going to be a significant upgrade over what I have and the wait just means more time for AMD to roll something out of the door. Not that my hopes are up too much after previous releases, we'll see won't we!

Parsley · 10 Oct 2020 at 00:05

g67575 said:
Peter75 is already getting jumped for that 1 comment, the nerd rage hath awoken.

Such rage!

Blackjack Davy · 10 Oct 2020 at 00:59

Th0nt said:
Seriouly @Peter75 if you think this is the waste of passion you should also go vent in the team GREEN threads there are 80% more of them to stand on your mountain and shout DRAGO!!!!! about.

Aye theres one thread devoted to AMD's upcoming and about 200 others for the green team's. Picking on this one seems pointless at best.

AaronDorson · 10 Oct 2020 at 01:11

Things are looking promising. Lets not forget all they need to deliver is 4k at ultra settings at over 60fps, at a better price point than the 3080. On cards that won't need recalling.

docsonic · 10 Oct 2020 at 01:23

Th0nt said:
The crown for raging is over on the queue thread for the 3080, poor guys are being well shafted by the lack of communication and after paying could be waiting weeks.

It's a lot of money to spend on precisely.. nothing. Do feel for them, ocuk should have sold what they had then closed the book.

Looking forward to a big Navi pyramid..

g67575 · 10 Oct 2020 at 02:10

I bet a lot of people are wondering how well Big Navi will perform on challenging new games like Cyperpunk 2077 and Watch Dogs: Legion.

I found these specs on Ubisoft's website for Legion:

Ray Tracing On - 4K / Ultra Settings:

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K / AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

So, I think Big Navi should be fine, at least in Watch Dogs: Legion.

aoaaron · 10 Oct 2020 at 02:23

g67575 said:
I bet a lot of people are wondering how well Big Navi will perform on challenging new games like Cyperpunk 2077 and Watch Dogs: Legion.

I found these specs on Ubisoft's website for Legion:

Ray Tracing On - 4K / Ultra Settings:

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K / AMD Ryzen 7 3700X

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

So, I think Big Navi should be fine, at least in Watch Dogs: Legion.

Pretty much. Cyberpunk will set the bar for the next 24 months. If AMD can somehow pull off a win or match NVIDIA on Cyberpunk or if Cyberpunk uses up more than 10GB of VRAM, then NVIDIA are in trouble imo.

greatash · 10 Oct 2020 at 02:43

aoaaron said:
Pretty much. Cyberpunk will set the bar for the next 24 months. If AMD can somehow pull off a win or match NVIDIA on Cyberpunk or if Cyberpunk uses up more than 10GB of VRAM, then NVIDIA are in trouble imo.

It won't use more than 10gb, CDPR loves Nvidia as we've seen from Witcher 3 and all the cp2077 Nvidia promotions. It'll run best on ampere no doubt about it.

Be surprised if its even slightly optimised for AMD in release.

g67575 · 10 Oct 2020 at 02:55

Don't suppose we will have to wait long for Cyperpunk 2077 4K resolution system requirements, since the game has gone gold (on the 6th of October).

It's quite a big game (70GB), compared to the Witcher 3 (which with all DLC is ~36GB). Instead of Red Engine 3 (used for TW3), Cyberpunk 2077 is built with Red Engine 4

If the requirements are very steep, perhaps there will be an option that allows console level (Series X / PS5) graphics quality on high end PCs, at 4K resolution and 60 FPS.

Poneros · 10 Oct 2020 at 03:23

The thing about Cyberpunk is not about if it will run fine on regular hardware, of course it will, it's about wanting to max it to whatever your budget is. It's running it with all the RT effects that's gonna be killer, not just regular like consoles.

And with new GPUs all released now (even if not available) it would feel like getting robbed to buy a Turing for full price just to have something to play it with. That's the main issue.

Richdog · 10 Oct 2020 at 05:08

cliffy said:
So does RedTech Gamings new video count as info to believe or does it have to be vetted by you first

RedGamingTech seems to be yet another mickey mouse Techtuber, among the hundreds of mickey mouse Techtubers now filling the platform, with less than 100k subs, engaging in speculation based on the same info as the rest of us and he quotes no inside sources. I fail to see why anyone would watch this channel when there are so many better and more credible ones out there. What I quoted was insider info from one of the biggest retailers in the world who actually have access to information the average person does not. If you can't see the obvious difference and instead just want to indulge in the wild and hilarious optimism that AMD showed their upper-mid-range card competing with a 3080, then lets agree to disagree and not waste any more time.

Rroff · 10 Oct 2020 at 05:10

Richdog said:
RedTechGaming is yet another mickey mouse Techtuber with less than 100k subs making wild speculation with no inside sources, it means as much as any of us on this forum and he quotes no inside sources. I fail to see why anyone would watch this channel when there are so many better and more credible ones out there.

What I find funny - these YouTubers generally post a spread of videos with several different claims and people latch onto the ones they want to be true and seemingly forget the ones that weren't (sometimes those videos mysteriously vanish after awhile).