AN UNMITIGATED DISASTER

Dirk Diggler · 23 Oct 2020 at 15:40

Th0nt said:
Only for enthusiasts that are happy to try and fix stuff that doesn't work - otherwise stick to nvidia.

FTFY

X-Mikuru_Beam-X · 23 Oct 2020 at 21:03

Dirk Diggler said:
On a 4k 120Hz monitor, yes you do.

Although I have to say, if I hadn't bagged my 3080 then I would be trotting along quite happily at 1440 with my 1080ti.

As @Kaapstad said, it's only a GPU. Mine won't even be powered up for the next couple of weeks

Im a 1440p 165hz forever kinda guy.... could certainly make use of a 3080 as ive never been even close to 165fps to date lol

Dirk Diggler · 23 Oct 2020 at 21:14

X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
Im a 1440p 165hz forever kinda guy.... could certainly make use of a 3080 as ive never been even close to 165fps to date lol

It's not a high refresh card, mate. I have a 1440p 165Hz monitor and it can't push the refresh consistently. It looks like a CPU bottleneck but there's an architectural restriction of some kind going on that I don't really understand. As the resolution gets higher, the GPU performance gets better.

It's really a 4k card IMO.

razorpakk · 23 Oct 2020 at 22:03

Dirk Diggler said:
It's not a high refresh card, mate. I have a 1440p 165Hz monitor and it can't push the refresh consistently. It looks like a CPU bottleneck but there's an architectural restriction of some kind going on that I don't really understand. As the resolution gets higher, the GPU performance gets better.

It's really a 4k card IMO.

It's the fastest card available (3090 price/performance is not reasonable). That makes it also the best for high-refresh rate games. Doesn't scale as well, but still, it's not like there's anything faster even at 1080p.

Dirk Diggler · 24 Oct 2020 at 00:03

razorpakk said:
It's the fastest card available (3090 price/performance is not reasonable). That makes it also the best for high-refresh rate games. Doesn't scale as well, but still, it's not like there's anything faster even at 1080p

Yes, it's faster than anything else. You've done your homework and understand the scaling issues so fair play.

chrcoluk · 24 Oct 2020 at 03:46

I actually dont understand given the joke stock level from Nvidia since Pascal launch why anyone thought they would not be waiting months for a card. Its clearly a strategy from Nvidia now to have limited stock at launches.

Also it does not make business sense for OCUK to hold back stock from customers, the longer it draws on, the more people cancel and less money they make.

Rroff · 24 Oct 2020 at 03:49

chrcoluk said:
I actually dont understand given the joke stock level from Nvidia since Pascal launch why anyone thought they would not be waiting months for a card. Its clearly a strategy from Nvidia now to have limited stock at launches.

Also it does not make business sense for OCUK to hold back stock from customers, the longer it draws on, the more people cancel and less money they make.

I'm surprised how quickly people seem to have forgotten the last few launches. I quickly learnt to sit back bide my time until the price and availability was right for me for what I need.

Naff8000 · 24 Oct 2020 at 07:13

I was hoping for more fights and riots but overall I'd give this launch a 9/10. Poscap was a nice twist.

X-Mikuru_Beam-X · 24 Oct 2020 at 07:31

Dirk Diggler said:
It's not a high refresh card, mate. I have a 1440p 165Hz monitor and it can't push the refresh consistently. It looks like a CPU bottleneck but there's an architectural restriction of some kind going on that I don't really understand. As the resolution gets higher, the GPU performance gets better.

It's really a 4k card IMO.

In that case, there really isnt any card that can push high refresh

still it should produce higher lows...

fx1 · 24 Oct 2020 at 08:30

Dirk Diggler said:
It's not a high refresh card, mate. I have a 1440p 165Hz monitor and it can't push the refresh consistently. It looks like a CPU bottleneck but there's an architectural restriction of some kind going on that I don't really understand. As the resolution gets higher, the GPU performance gets better.

It's really a 4k card IMO.

Its something to do with FP32 and FP64 i think. (cant recall the exact terminology) Its designed to push more pixels than it is frames.

Its also likely why we dont see much improvement in frame rates with more mhz and overclocking of the GPU.

It used to be that more mhz = more frames but now they seem to favour more complex computations in order to provide better fill rates in larger textures and complex math such as DLSS and RT.

1440p is too low now and 4K is still to high imo. This is why i went for 3840x1600. 6 million pixels and 175hz should be a nice sweet spot to get the best of both.

Cooper · 24 Oct 2020 at 09:53

Rroff said:
I'm surprised how quickly people seem to have forgotten the last few launches. I quickly learnt to sit back bide my time until the price and availability was right for me for what I need.

Unfortunately that requires patience & self control, qualities that the instant gratification, internet culture of the millennials, seem to have now become non existent..

gpuerrilla · 24 Oct 2020 at 10:18

Anyone old enough to remember ordering through catalogues and direct mail orders where the then standard of 'allow 28 days for shipping' was the norm?

I think I remember my brother had to wait months for the new Amstrad CPC464 to arrive.

Things change I've changed · 24 Oct 2020 at 10:27

Th0nt said:
Anyone old enough to remember ordering through catalogues and direct mail orders where the then standard of 'allow 28 days for shipping' was the norm?

I think I remember my brother had to wait months for the new Amstrad CPC464 to arrive.

Yes, bought the kit version of the ZX81 and had to build it when it arrived!!

Kelt · 24 Oct 2020 at 14:34

Things change I've changed said:
Yes, bought the kit version of the ZX81 and had to build it when it arrived!!

You were lucky, all I had to play with computer wise as a kid was an abacus.

Petremir · 24 Oct 2020 at 14:48

Kelt said:
You were lucky, all I had to play with computer wise as a kid was an abacus.

Abacus, pah all i had twas pebbles and i was grateful ;p

PrincessFrosty · 24 Oct 2020 at 16:34

Dirk Diggler said:
It's not a high refresh card, mate. I have a 1440p 165Hz monitor and it can't push the refresh consistently. It looks like a CPU bottleneck but there's an architectural restriction of some kind going on that I don't really understand. As the resolution gets higher, the GPU performance gets better.

It's really a 4k card IMO.

Frame rate isn't a linear measurement of performance - http://www.mvps.org/directx/articles/fps_versus_frame_time.htm

The % impact of features when you enable/disable them are going to seem more or less harsh on your frame rate depending on what your frame rate baseline is. In other words it's easy to add more frames when you're at 60fps to go to say 80fps. But to add more at say 120fps to go to 140fps it's much harder, even though the delta of 20fps is the same. And so people running very high refresh rates are running into diminishing returns. Which as you expressed it another way, as you jump to higher resolutions the punishment seems less harsh because higher resolutions is more work which means lower baseline frame rates which means easier deltas to achieve

Mint8 · 24 Oct 2020 at 16:39

Th0nt said:
Anyone old enough to remember ordering through catalogues and direct mail orders where the then standard of 'allow 28 days for shipping' was the norm?

I think I remember my brother had to wait months for the new Amstrad CPC464 to arrive.

Ah those were the days - we used to walk 20 miles to school in our bare feet every morning, lived in a cardboard box and only had one potato between 6 to last us all year........luxury !

Dirk Diggler · 24 Oct 2020 at 16:40

PrincessFrosty said:
Frame rate isn't a linear measurement of performance - http://www.mvps.org/directx/articles/fps_versus_frame_time.htm

The % impact of features when you enable/disable them are going to seem more or less harsh on your frame rate depending on what your frame rate baseline is. In other words it's easy to add more frames when you're at 60fps to go to say 80fps. But to add more at say 120fps to go to 140fps it's much harder, even though the delta of 20fps is the same. And so people running very high refresh rates are running into diminishing returns. Which as you expressed it another way, as you jump to higher resolutions the punishment seems less harsh because higher resolutions is more work which means lower baseline frame rates which means easier deltas to achieve

Good explanation, which makes perfect sense. High refresh isn't very important to me personally as long as I'm getting around 70+. I can't really tell the difference between 70 & 170 so it's better for me to step up the resolution as I can see the difference there.

It really comes down to individual use case, but as you say it shouldn't be assumed that a card has "x%" performance increase over another, it varies depending on various factors.

chrcoluk · 26 Oct 2020 at 20:52

Th0nt said:
Anyone old enough to remember ordering through catalogues and direct mail orders where the then standard of 'allow 28 days for shipping' was the norm?

I think I remember my brother had to wait months for the new Amstrad CPC464 to arrive.

I remember not getting the Amiga 1200 for Christmas I asked for, then about a year and half later it arrived, but by then my dad then decided he no longer wanted to give to me, don't know what he did with it.

gpuerrilla · 26 Oct 2020 at 21:06

chrcoluk said:
I remember not getting the Amiga 1200 for Christmas I asked for, then about a year and half later it arrived, but by then my dad then decided he no longer wanted to give to me, don't know what he did with it.

Holy **** no way that is bizarre. I saved up and bought my own but cannot remember them being that hard to source?