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Poll: Which is the better visual upgrade, HDR 10 or Ray Tracing?

Which is the better visual upgrade, HDR 10 or Ray Tracing?

  • HDR 10

    Votes: 95 65.1%

  • Ray Tracing

    Votes: 51 34.9%
  • Total voters
    146
Wrinkly said:
I'm lucky as my display matches the one on the right ;)

Just out of curiosity, to all HDR owners, don't you find that eye-strain sets in quicker with HDR, especially in a darkened room? I find DCR adds some value to the image, while tireing my eyes.
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Never had eye strain.

But with HDR\10 you don't need your room dark
 
almoststew1990 said:
I've got an HDR10 TV (Sony XH9196) and HDR looks pretty grey and washed out. I was aware that my budget wouldn't stretch to "real HDR" when I bought it and that seems to be the case but the thread title suggests HDR10 is the real HDR?

It's an edge lit TV so maybe that's why.

(I also bought it because it advertised a "motion rate of 1000Hz but a native rate of 100Hz". Nope, it's a 60Hz panel, pretty ****** advertising tbh!)
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Wow, they did you dirty. I was going to say, hey the XH90 is a solid entry into HDR but then I look up and see this is 9196 is actually an XH85 equivalent. Honestly that should be counted as fake advertising of sorts.
But yeah, the greyness is due to its edge-lit nature. Basically it can't actually display HDR in a recognisable fashion. In order to have HDR you need at a minimum FALD + a good algorithm because otherwise it's just SDR. In order for the dynamic range to be high, it has to have proper control over the light output.

Wrinkly said:
I'm lucky as my display matches the one on the right ;)

Just out of curiosity, to all HDR owners, don't you find that eye-strain sets in quicker with HDR, especially in a darkened room? I find DCR adds some value to the image, while tireing my eyes.
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Not so much, but I do use bias lighting a lot. I only keep the room totally dark if I want to get completely immersed and it's a particularly dark game at times - so for example I played all of Metro Exodus at night only and having the room be totally dark. With something like AC Odyssey I kept the lights on because that can get super bright and I prefer the overall ambiance to be lit.
 
deuse said:
Who buys HDR with only 1000 nits?
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People looking to meet the VESA DisplayHDR 1000 certification?
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varkanoid said:
I wouldnt do it yet still time for it to get delayed again. They must be a little concerned that due to lack of hardware on console and PC will affect their sales.
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Its not delayed again, game is gold, printed and shipping and reviewers are receiving their copies for review tommorow
 
I have noticed some bugs in games where HDR is not calibrated correctly where the game will look dull, maybe this is what some users are experiencing. Many(almost all) 'HDR' monitors on the market right now display HDR to look worse than SDR. Technically these displays can read an HDR signal but can't display it properly. Some of the best HDR experience can be obtained from LG OLED TV's.

From my own point of view HDR is amazing on my LG OLED55C9 and LG OLED65CX. One game that really stood out was Assassin's Creed Odyssey, when moving from a dark cave to the bright outdoors, just wow. Even games like XCOM 2 which does not even have HDR, but by enabling 'HDR Tone Mapping' this will dynamically attempt to adjust specular highlights to appear brighter, and it works quite well with some games. There is a bonus in that HDR works on movies and series too! Disappointingly some remastered movies showing the HDR label is in fact fake HDR, just the same movie in an HDR container.

For me non HDR content is just bland I don't want to go without it.
Raytracing I have enabled and said 'ok nice' and then disabled because the performance hit is too large.

I want both these technologies to prosper and become mainstream, but for right now HDR is king if you have a proper display.

I like HDR so much I kicked my old trusty Asus PG278Q to the side and use the LG OLED55C9 as my daily driver monitor.
 
deuse said:
That's "VESA DisplayHDR 1000 certification" is not real HDR10
1000 or below nits is like 720p HD ready TVs\Monitors

I can get 2000+ nits
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And blacks that are gray.

And ****** contrast.

Don’t even try to deny. Even the highest end QLED has ****** blacks / contrast compared to an OLED. As well as completely losing details in dark scenes because of the overagressive dimming due to trying to compete with OLED. Brightness isnt everything. There’s a reason OLED wins best HDR display year after year.

Nice try tho ;)
 
chris85oc said:
And blacks that are gray.

And ****** contrast.

Don’t even try to deny. Even the highest end QLED has ****** blacks / contrast compared to an OLED. As well as completely losing details in dark scenes because of the overagressive dimming due to trying to compete with OLED. Brightness isnt everything. There’s a reason OLED wins best HDR display year after year.

Nice try tho ;)
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So you believe having 1 color out 16 million in your favor as good?
And you do know that OLED HDR standard is 10,000?

Not even a try ;)
 
Woodsta888 said:
What does post No 12 say?:rolleyes:

No need to tell me, I wasn't the one saying all those that voted RT had never seen HDR.
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It's okay, i could tell by your reaction without even looking at your post.

People may vote one way or the other, even if they've not tried both like some of us have.

And you know what, that's okay as it's just an opinion at the end the day. Nothing to lose sleep over.
 
chris85oc said:
Easiest way to explain would be like this.

SDR - black and white tv
Crappy HDR Tvs - has black, white, red and blue as colors, but most things look black and white
Proper HDR tvs - has all the black to white hues ( all grays ), and all colors

So you have to have a good display to be able to show off HDR. ******/ mediocre tvs will read the format but the image they will show will be limited to the capabilities of said display, in some cases making the image look worse in HDR vs SDR while in others barely better.

@Pottsey your tv is most likely your problem. Either that or you’re the kind of person i was talking about in my previous post who likes his tvs on dynamic contrast vivid colors and everything turned to max and enjoys that black crush/smushed highlights and burnt colors with no hue variation to speak of.
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While it could be the TV/Monitor it is 100% not because the settings are incorrect. HDR games going washed out with terrble blacks is well documented both in forum and on youtube. I thought it was well established at this point that HDR gaming is a problem and often looks much worse then SDR gaming. On the PC that is. Consoles don't seem to have as many HDR gaming problems.
 
deuse said:
You have cheapo HDR TVs\Monitors.
Then you have the real thing ;)

You like the HD ready\HDR stuff :)
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I've no doubt there is better than what i have (Samsung CRG90 5120x1440)
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But, it still is a massive upgrade from a non HDR display.

I also need a display that can sit on a desk, to be used for browsing and working with multiple Excel spreadsheets etc. Ultra wide is great for that.

deuse said:
No.
It's 10,000. I can play a 4,000nits blu ray ok.
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10,000 was good a few years back, but things have moved on since then. :p
 
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