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i know which i would rather have, id rather spend the extra and get the Supra, no question
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i know which i would rather have, id rather spend the extra and get the Supra, no question
I'd prefer the Supra to, but come on, 7000 quid extra for the same car in a different outfit? Madness.
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It’s not the same car.
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I'm running the Pure800 turbo so no longer stock. My brakes are stock currently but have an AP rcing 382mm 6 pot front kit coming this month.
Supra and Z4 are not the same. Even on the basis that they look different on the inteior & exterior. By fr the biggest difference (other than the suspension, chassis setup) is the fixed roof coupe vs the rag top.
The Supra does handle better than the equivilant Z4.
Agreed.
You know I totally forgot the Z4 is a convertible and has a different setup for a moment there...
Was in GT86/BRZ mindset.
Even if you were to accept the premise of 'it's the same car', pricing gets much closer when they're comparable and you option the Z4 with some key things from the Supra. The most obvious one being that the Supra is equivalent to the SDrive 30i, not 20i.
A Supra 2.0 Pro is £45,995
A Z4 with the 30i Engine and M Sport Trim is already £44,320, not £38,000.
Then it gets more complicated - if you want the adaptive suspension and sports diff, you need M Sport Pro for another £1,950 but this also adds 19" wheels which you can't option on a 2.0 Supra.
You could probably mess about for hours making them as identical as possible but the main point is they're very similarly priced cars really, there is only a £7000 gulf if you're buying a Z4 that's not on par with the Supra.
A Supra 2.0 Pro is £45,995
A Z4 with the 30i Engine and M Sport Trim is already £44,320, not £38,000.
Then it gets more complicated - if you want the adaptive suspension and sports diff, you need M Sport Pro for another £1,950 but this also adds 19" wheels which you can't option on a 2.0 Supra.
You could probably mess about for hours making them as identical as possible but the main point is they're very similarly priced cars really, there is only a £7000 gulf if you're buying a Z4 that's not on par with the Supra.
I don't think a BMW name has had any specific bearing on what size engine you'll find in it for quite a while now.
The £38k starting 20i is a 2.0 at 197bhp, the £42.5k starting 30i is a 2.0 at 258bhp (as in the Supra)
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It probably did until turbos came along and added about 50% more bhp for the same engine capacity.
But yes it rather denotes the model position in the range by power rather than specific displacement.
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Nah, it's been doing that since at least the '80s. South African-market 745i? That'll be 3.5 naturally aspirated litres, sir.
A 1985 325e? 2.7 litres, etc.
A 1985 325e? 2.7 litres, etc.
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If they didn't do that you'd end up with about 4 different 320i with power ranging from 150 to 280bhp...
Yeah.
I know its been like it for a while with the other models, but the fact its called a Z4 30i made me think 3.0, because its so close to Z4 3.0i.
With the other models its slightly different cos its tacked onto another number.
Its like how Audi do it now. Try to fool people in to thinking it has a bigger engine
I hate that so much. I hate seeing "40TDI" and misreading it as 4.0, and then when I realise my mistake, I have absolutely no idea what capacity or even how many cylinders it has.
Just do away with the badge completely.
The badge is really important for when picking which rental to take at the airport. Without it you could accidentally end up in an A6 40TDI which would ruin the whole trip.
On the upside, because it names (relatively) consistently by power, you can make an educated guess about whether you'll beat a 40TDI depending on whether it's in an A1 or an A8
On the upside, because it names (relatively) consistently by power, you can make an educated guess about whether you'll beat a 40TDI depending on whether it's in an A1 or an A8
Thats true.
Just need to memorise the system first.
Anything less that a 50 is a 4 pot, 40 is 170hp - 200hp
Thats true.
Just need to memorise the system first.
Anything less that a 50 is a 4 pot, 40 is 170hp - 200hp
Just memorise what your car would be, anything less than that in similar size car equals a crushing victory by you
(Edit - also, not everything below 50 is a 4 pot, some are 3
)On the upside, because it names (relatively) consistently by power, you can make an educated guess about whether you'll beat a 40TDI depending on whether it's in an A1 or an A8
Unless the name begins with an S or RS its mediocre
Unless the name begins with an S or RS its mediocre
I'd rather drive a A6 55 TFSI than an S3...