Path of Exile(diablo clone)

[Parky]

Yep, figured that last night I've since done it for Chaos to Exalt.



Yeah it's quite long and a lot of it is fluff, but it did help me figure a few things out particularly how ilvl can affect tier rolls and how that can determine value.



Got any spare currency left over


I'm trying to figure out Cluster Jewels. There are Small, Medium and Large with Medium having 4-6 and Large 8-12 notables. I'm guessing if it isn't 4 and 8 their worth pretty much nothing since people don't want to waste additional passive skill points. Or am I wrong?

I'm aware people want them to have at least 2 passives on the Medium and 3 on the Large for it to be worth any value. But I'm not sure on whether if I had say a 5 notable with 2 passives would be worth using or selling. For example

Rarity: Rare
Soul Ornament
Medium Cluster Jewel
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Item Level: 45
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Adds 5 Passive Skills (enchant)
1 Added Passive Skill is a Jewel Socket (enchant)
Added Small Passive Skills grant: +4% to Damage over Time Multiplier (enchant)
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Added Small Passive Skills also grant: +3% to Cold Resistance
Added Small Passive Skills also grant: +2 to Intelligence
1 Added Passive Skill is Circling Oblivion
1 Added Passive Skill is Exposure Therapy
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Place into an allocated Medium or Large Jewel Socket on the Passive Skill Tree. Added passives do not interact with jewel radiuses. Right click to remove from the Socket.

Yeah it's all about optimising as much as you can, so you are correct in saying that the ones with fewer passives are generally more expensive/desirable. Some of the combinations for the rarer notables on an optimised jewel can go for mega bucks, a couple what I want are bout 5ex a piece at the moment.

The mediums with 5 slots should still be ok to use without having to sacrifice any skill points. Here's an example from my tree, one medium with 4 passive skills with two notables, one with 5 skills. You can see that it still only takes 4 points to get everything I need from it:

 

[.Lethal]

Yeah it's all about optimising as much as you can, so you are correct in saying that the ones with fewer passives are generally more expensive/desirable. Some of the combinations for the rarer notables on an optimised jewel can go for mega bucks, a couple what I want are bout 5ex a piece at the moment.

The mediums with 5 slots should still be ok to use without having to sacrifice any skill points. Here's an example from my tree, one medium with 4 passive skills with two notables, one with 5 skills. You can see that it still only takes 4 points to get everything I need from it:

Great thanks for the advice.

Is the 5 slot medium the only exception to making it work like you've shown?

 

[Frubeling]

Just put my body armour through the corruption altar and it turned all the sockets white

THEY WERE ALREADY ALL WHITE

 

[dirtybeatfreak]

I just spent some time using this app and it tells me I have 30 exalts worth of stuff. I find that hard to believe.

It's useful for identifying certain items I didn't know were worth something, for example I have 2 divination cards an Alluring Bounty and The Nurse each worth more than an exalt each.

I'll use it for now, it's a shame it doesn't help identify value in rares since that's the time consuming problem I have, and it's important to note that unique items aren't valued on their rolls.

Thanks

i just tried this too and what you need to do is make a new profile in the top right and set it to ritual league and pick the tabs you want it to search

none of my rares show up either, which like you said.. is the real problem

No probs

Yea that was exactly my reasoning for pointing it out. It's not good for rares, It's just a good app to get a quick idea in situations like "Oh I never use those fragments, but I see they're worth 100c in total!, I can bulk sell these'. or like you say the rarer Div cards. Really helpful when you need money for that all important piece of gear. Wouldn't use it any further than that though some people use it literally to see net worth gain per hour etc.

I don't think there is a single app or website out there that can price rares properly. The only true way is to manually search similar items on POE trade etc (don't fall into the 'my rare is one of a kind' trap though ). This was my point though, unless you feel you have a particularly good rare, those 'time consuming rares' are wasting your time (again unless you enjoy iding rares of course) and the biggest point I was trying to get across.

Glad to see you're watching Ziz, he really knows his stuff.

 

[Tupro]

No probs

Yea that was exactly my reasoning for pointing it out. It's not good for rares, It's just a good app to get a quick idea in situations like "Oh I never use those fragments, but I see they're worth 100c in total!, I can bulk sell these'. or like you say the rarer Div cards. Really helpful when you need money for that all important piece of gear. Wouldn't use it any further than that though some people use it literally to see net worth gain per hour etc.

I don't think there is a single app or website out there that can price rares properly. The only true way is to manually search similar items on POE trade etc (don't fall into the 'my rare is one of a kind' trap though ). This was my point though, unless you feel you have a particularly good rare, those 'time consuming rares' are wasting your time (again unless you enjoy iding rares of course) and the biggest point I was trying to get across.

Glad to see you're watching Ziz, he really knows his stuff.

yeah ive mainly been using the trade macro to give me some idea if something is worth selling
one thing im struggling with is the amount of duplicate uniques im getting.. now ive checked and theyre mostly worth 1c each
imo theyre not worth the space they take up in a stash for only 1c.. so should i just vendor them? literally wasting 3 tabs

 

[.Lethal]

one thing im struggling with is the amount of duplicate uniques im getting.. now ive checked and theyre mostly worth 1c each
imo theyre not worth the space they take up in a stash for only 1c.. so should i just vendor them? literally wasting 3 tabs

I've started vendoring the uniques, I'll quickly price check it and compare it to the one I have in my Unique tab and off it goes to the vendor. Slowly I'm getting familiar with the garbage common ones

Anything 5c or under I don't waste my time listing, there's usually too many on there already.

I thought people used flask macro's for PoE turns out it's not allowed but I swear some streamers like Quin69 seem to flick through them in an order that's very quick and precise.

 

[Parky]

Great thanks for the advice.

Is the 5 slot medium the only exception to making it work like you've shown?

In terms of getting everything you need from with minimum number of skill points spent I believe so.

A lot of the work with the large cluster jewels is really based on what notables you are targeting too, I can't remember the exact way it works, it's something like each notable is given a hidden numerical value and they're ordered in a deterministic outcome when a jewel is created. They are placed in order, clockwise from the entry point of the jewel. The order they appear on the tooltip as you hover over the jewel shows you where they will appear on the wheel.

Here's what it looks like for a large jewel with 8 slots and two expansion slots:

If you count the points needed to grab the two expansion slots and two notables on the second diagram it will cost you seven skill points, whereas in the third it's only 5 (or 7 again if you want all three notables). These extra points start to add up if you're switching over to multiple cluster jewel setups. When you're high enough level and have enough cash for the best ones you can sometimes save several skill points in total, which in turn can either go back into your tree somewhere or even into fitting another medium/small jewel in there.

It really is more endgame min/maxing stuff though, hence the prices being much higher. It's why a lot of guides will usually give you the option of skill trees with/without cluster jewels, and then a final fully optimised endgame skill tree.

 

[.Lethal]

It really is more endgame min/maxing stuff though, hence the prices being much higher. It's why a lot of guides will usually give you the option of skill trees with/without cluster jewels, and then a final fully optimised endgame skill tree.

Yeah I spent 2ex on a large and 2 medium, although their worth over 3ex if I resell them later on. Took most of my currency! The difference now I[m specced right is huge, gone from T4-5 to T7-8

 

[Frubeling]

I thought people used flask macro's for PoE turns out it's not allowed but I swear some streamers like Quin69 seem to flick through them in an order that's very quick and precise.

They're not allowed and using one on something like a stream where people can clearly see it is foolish. That said it's not exactly easy to prove someone is using them.
You're only likely to get in MAJOR trouble if you get caught using an AHK script to check the pixels on your health globe to autoflask when your life hits certain levels. Binding 2345 to a thumb key on a programmable mouse though? I mean I've been doing that the best part of half a decade. Some people put an ice lolly stick over their flask keys to mash them all at once.

 

[Tupro]

@Frubeling how did you manage the Encounters III - The gorgon challenge? the one where you need to kill the boss while petrified
im not sure if its in the build somewhere but i could not be petrified by the boss, my sentinels from Purity did however

 

[.Lethal]

@Frubeling how did you manage the Encounters III - The gorgon challenge? the one where you need to kill the boss while petrified
im not sure if its in the build somewhere but i could not be petrified by the boss, my sentinels from Purity did however

This got me curious so I went and did it on my second try.

I used Ancestral Warchief and Ancestral Protector with Multiple Totems support (to have both totems up at the same time to kill quickly while petrified).

Tricky part for me was learning the boss mechanic, you need to face it when it starts turning grey as it's a channelling spell that needs to hit you in the face for a second or two before petrification happens. Once you face him as he starts casting you'll know if you're getting petrified once you get the timing right. I circled the boss for a few minutes to learn exactly how it works.

 

[Frubeling]

@Frubeling how did you manage the Encounters III - The gorgon challenge? the one where you need to kill the boss while petrified
im not sure if its in the build somewhere but i could not be petrified by the boss, my sentinels from Purity did however

I chunked off most of the health waited for it to telegraph that it was about to start the petrify move, cast bladefall and then blast as it applied the last stack so that the chain of blasts went off while I was petrified

Don't forget it's a gorgon, you have to be looking at it for it to petrify you.
There shouldn't be anything stopping the petrification unless you have something that stops your base action speed being reduced

 

[.Lethal]

I've seen a few chests on PoE with the following harvest enchant.

Quality does not increase Defences
Grants +1 to Maximum Life per 2% Quality

How can I get this? I understand I need to find a harvest, which I've found many but never one to craft an enchant to my chest. Is this only found in high tier maps? Or is it low RNG?

 

[Tupro]

This got me curious so I went and did it on my second try.

I used Ancestral Warchief and Ancestral Protector with Multiple Totems support (to have both totems up at the same time to kill quickly while petrified).

Tricky part for me was learning the boss mechanic, you need to face it when it starts turning grey as it's a channelling spell that needs to hit you in the face for a second or two before petrification happens. Once you face him as he starts casting you'll know if you're getting petrified once you get the timing right. I circled the boss for a few minutes to learn exactly how it works.

I chunked off most of the health waited for it to telegraph that it was about to start the petrify move, cast bladefall and then blast as it applied the last stack so that the chain of blasts went off while I was petrified

Don't forget it's a gorgon, you have to be looking at it for it to petrify you.
There shouldn't be anything stopping the petrification unless you have something that stops your base action speed being reduced

thanks both, not sure if i was facing it or not but ill give it another try and let you know

EDIT : tried it again the way you did it @Frubeling and got it done, thanks

I've seen a few chests on PoE with the following harvest enchant.

Quality does not increase Defences
Grants +1 to Maximum Life per 2% Quality

How can I get this? I understand I need to find a harvest, which I've found many but never one to craft an enchant to my chest. Is this only found in high tier maps? Or is it low RNG?

i think thats just RNG for which options you get, i found one earlier for weapon range per X% quality and im pretty sure i was in a tier 10 map

 

[.Lethal]

thanks both, not sure if i was facing it or not but ill give it another try and let you know

EDIT : tried it again the way you did it @Frubeling and got it done, thanks



i think thats just RNG for which options you get, i found one earlier for weapon range per X% quality and im pretty sure i was in a tier 10 map

I bought a chest without it for 1ex and a similar with slightly less stats went for 2ex with the enchant, I'm starting to wonder if I should have paid the 2ex to have it with the enchant

 

[.Lethal]

Can someone help me with a price check? PoE trade has anywhere from 20 chaos to multiple exalts

Rarity: Rare
Wrath Hold
Amethyst Ring
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Requirements:
Level: 55
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Item Level: 72
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+11% to Chaos Resistance (implicit)
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13% increased Lightning Damage
+64 to maximum Life
+63 to maximum Mana
+38% to Cold Resistance
+31% to Lightning Resistance

It has an open prefix so I could put % increased damage on it or more lightning damage to attacks

 

[Frubeling]

Can someone help me with a price check? PoE trade has anywhere from 20 chaos to multiple exalts

Rarity: Rare
Wrath Hold
Amethyst Ring
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Requirements:
Level: 55
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Item Level: 72
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+11% to Chaos Resistance (implicit)
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13% increased Lightning Damage
+64 to maximum Life
+63 to maximum Mana
+38% to Cold Resistance
+31% to Lightning Resistance

It has an open prefix so I could put % increased damage on it or more lightning damage to attacks

I can tell you now it's 100% not worth even 1 exalt
Few chaos tops. Sort of thing you buy when you just hit maps to fix resists and get some life

 

[.Lethal]

I can tell you now it's 100% not worth even 1 exalt
Few chaos tops. Sort of thing you buy when you just hit maps to fix resists and get some life

Thanks for that, could I be cheeky and ask about 1 more item? Promise no more requests I'm getting the same range of chaos to exalts

Rarity: Rare
Corruption Ward
Ezomyte Burgonet
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Armour: 346
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Requirements:
Level: 60
Str: 138
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Sockets: G-R-G
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Item Level: 72
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+2 to Level of Socketed Minion Gems
+90 to maximum Life
10% increased Rarity of Items found
+38% to Fire Resistance
+35% to Cold Resistance
+26% to Lightning Resistance
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Corrupted

 

[Frubeling]

Thanks for that, could I be cheeky and ask about 1 more item? Promise no more requests I'm getting the same range of chaos to exalts

Rarity: Rare
Corruption Ward
Ezomyte Burgonet
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Armour: 346
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Requirements:
Level: 60
Str: 138
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Sockets: G-R-G
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Item Level: 72
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+2 to Level of Socketed Minion Gems
+90 to maximum Life
10% increased Rarity of Items found
+38% to Fire Resistance
+35% to Cold Resistance
+26% to Lightning Resistance
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Corrupted

Being corrupted without the right sorta sockets hurts it, but you may manage 30 chaos for that. It has big life and all ele resists even if they are middling to low
Best bet is usually to chuck stuff on sale for slightly higher than you think it's worth and then tick the price down every hour until it sells.

 

[.Lethal]

Being corrupted without the right sorta sockets hurts it, but you may manage 30 chaos for that. It has big life and all ele resists even if they are middling to low
Best bet is usually to chuck stuff on sale for slightly higher than you think it's worth and then tick the price down every hour until it sells.

I could 4 socket it since I have far to many vaal orbs if it would make a difference? I have no idea what colours they would need to be though