I listed my 3080 ftw3 ultra on eBay but soon began to brick myself as the scammer messages rolled in. Ended up selling it (relatively) cheap to a guy who was interested to come pick it up. Ended the auction early and dealt with him direct. Will never list a high value item again.
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Would you sell a GPU on ebay now?
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At which point you hit them with a GDPR "subject access request" to say you are in dispute to correct the error which is exactly what you would say to any debt collection who are authorised to do precisely nothing without a court order. What they are doing is trying to bully you into taking the hit rather than them. Stuff em they don't have a leg to stand on its just words and obfuscation, but unfortunately people don't know their rights and go 'oh ok I'll do what you say cos I don't know any better'. Consider yourselves educated.
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So yes that is correct BUT you are not forced into Term & Conditions that effect your statutory rights, they take a higher precedence as part of trading and doing business in the UK.
Lets take for example a dispute process via PayPal and eBay that decides against you.... That is not the same as you being in dispute with PayPal, that would be a matter of contract law either decide between yourselves or a court of law i.e. the dispute process evolving the buyer is just some internal thing it doesn't bind you to anything no matter what the T&Cs said.
The second point is eBay does not allow you to insist on Cash on collection BUT you can state that in a listing and refund a buyer that doesn't comply. Of course that can mean having to relist your item until getting a buyer that agrees....
Like I said know your rights and don't let companies bully you into doing anything, you do not have to refund anyone it is a choice up until the point a court of law issues a judgement against you.
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Oh, I thought a subject access request was just that they had to give you all the info they hold about you as I did ask for one and every account has this option to download all your data?
So if you say that then they just gonna give up? Hmmm well as simple as it sounds they just sell the debt to collection agency then they take you to court. But you're right that I probably don't know my rights. I did a fair bit of googling and didn't see anyone mention what you suggest. HAve you done this and it's worked?
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Some great advice if you want to end up with a CCJ and crap credit history. Or you could just not sell via PayPal and save yourself the hassle.
Jumping ahead a bit there.
PayPal refund the buyer, putting your account in to negative balance. They then get in touch to ask you to repay the amount. If you don't, they may instruct a debt collection agency to reclaim the money. If you still refuse, they need to decide whether to take the case to court. If they decide to take the case to court, and the court sides with PayPay, you then have one month to repay the money or dispute the court's ruling. After one calendar month, if the debt has not been settled, it then shows on the public register and is added to your credit profile.
But it shouldn't even get this far. If PayPal decide in the buyer's favour, you can raise a formal complaint. If they still decide in the buyer's favour, you can escalate the complaint to the Financial Ombudsman Service. And if that fails, you pay up and then take the buyer to the Small Claims Court (if you believe you have sufficient evidence and think it's worth the time).
The only way you wind up with a CCJ and a trashed credit history is if you ignore the problem for months on end. Still less hassle to just sell elsewhere, cash on collection. But it's quite amazing how many people believe the seller has no power to fight against decisions made by eBay and/or PayPal...
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Problem with this is console is just as bad, got to overpay for games and online the only good thing is you can sell physical disks still but how long will that last now with digital only editions? You can still get a low end gaming PC with a GTX 1650 for £400 which isn't bad.
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The issue though, if a buyer pays via PayPal for the cash on collection item, then you refund them, PayPal no longer refund the fees to the seller, the buyer gets all their payment back, but you will find you are around 2.9 percent worse off...
Paypals policy on refunding sellers fees changed around March last year.
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What a load of nonsense - the worst case is you pay on the instruction of a court OR far more likely via some mediation process please stop misinforming people.
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Why would you refund them at all, there is no mechanism for that to happen except via the buyer and seller talking to one another and agreeing it themselves or for the buyer to take legal action against the seller via the small claims court. Which no ‘scammer’ is going to do because as much as anything its simply not worth their time. Obviously if someone has a legitimate issue then you try to sort it out but we aren’t talking about that here are we its people who are deliberately committing fraud/theft and try to use the processes of eBay and PayPal to their advantage. That is why the value of the item is important and you are more likely to have issues with the sale of a £600 GPU vs. £200
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You have a number of ‘subject access rights’ one is the right to request information held about you, another is the right to correct false information and in this case you are not in debt you are in dispute. That is a key difference and they have a time limit of 30days to fix it else they themselves risked getting fined. So if you are being threatened there is your answer you are not in debt just because some company decides you are, though of course its presented that way in very formal looking correspondence but it just designed to make you do what they want which is take the hit for them, they possibly will refund the buyer or they may not there is no guarantee they will. What they will try first is to get you to pay.....
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That's not true either, buyer protection they always do refund the buyer, then they chase the seller for the funds.
They only don't do this if the sale didn't qualify for protection.
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And then you take them to court, taking up hours of your time (only for Paypal to not dispute the claim anyway) and then you write to your MP telling them this needs to change and then you set up a "Paypal is bad" website and then you spend hours queuing on the phone try to get Paypal to remove a credit default, all the while being turned down for credit everywhere you go. All to "stick it to the company" when you could have avoided being in that position anyway by not flogging a GPU on Ebay.
I'm not saying it's wrong to challenge, but some battles aren't worth fighting.
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Yeah, I don't really know why this argument is still going on, you might get a buyer who isn't a dick, but on the off-chance you do the system is stacked quite heavily against you leading to potentially a lot of hassle... or just not accept Paypal, do cash on collection only via whatever platform and completely remove the possibility of it all in the first place.
It's still going on due to the sheer amount of made-up nonsense being posted. The rumours and hearsay about the situation with eBay and PayPal are actually worse than the reality (which itself isn't great). There are limitations in law on what eBay/PayPal can do, and there are mechanisms for raising a dispute with these companies. Sellers aren't powerless. It's just often not worth the hassle of arguing.
Where to sell doesn't matter it is all depends on luck, I sold two cards recently on ebay without any issues at all.
I turned off allow offer option and stay auction only to avoid people sending me message.
Crazy gpu market, even worse than last mining boom. Sold my spare 1060, after all fees I get back 90% of what I paid 3 years ago.
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I recently put up a TitanX and it sold to someone in Spain. This was at the end of December. I then couldn't get a shipment arranged (Brexit shambles) and ended up refunding the buyer and relisting with UK only. Sold to a business who paid promptly and left positive feedback so no problems.
I know there are problems but this isn't restricted to ebay.
I'm currently working with a retailer that sells PC's online and they sometimes get PC's returned with entire new interiors or simply GPUs removed.
Human beings are just the worst.
I know there are problems but this isn't restricted to ebay.
I'm currently working with a retailer that sells PC's online and they sometimes get PC's returned with entire new interiors or simply GPUs removed.
Human beings are just the worst.
what happens in that situation?