Afghanistan - 20 years on

One More Solo said:
A large proportion of western men won’t even put a bit of fabric over the face for the good of their countrymen and you’re going to sit here and say people in Afghanistan should take up arms against a well equipped and organised invasion force. Nonsense.
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They protested, arranged marches etc to support their views, how many antitaliban marches and protests have we seen from the population at large from the majority in Afghanistan?

They've had 20 years to get their stance sorted knowing they might have to fight, or lose their lives.
 
The world doesn't really care though, not since they found Bin Laden anyway. This is just good stuff for the media outlets to talk about though and it makes a change from COVID.

The country will now be a backwater for the next 3 or 4 Generations while the rest of the world moves on the the hard-line regime begins to soften over time as it always does, they will soon be wanting our help again as the western bribe money is gone etc etc.
 
The Running Man said:
They protested, arranged marches etc to support their views, how many antitaliban marches and protests have we seen from the population at large from the majority in Afghanistan?
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"The majority in Afghanistan?"

When has a protest ever involved a majority of the population anywhere? Even the anti war march here in 2003 was about 1 million which you could argue was a small minority if you looked at percentages alone.

But there have been plenty of protests there.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...o-streets-in-show-of-defiance-against-taliban
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
Is China going to try a non-military approach?
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They'll probably offer money to prop up the Taliban and build infrastructure or something, in return for the right to mine all the rare minerals in Afghanistan. One of the most mineral rich countries in the world.
 
The Running Man said:
They protested, arranged marches etc to support their views, how many antitaliban marches and protests have we seen from the population at large from the majority in Afghanistan?

They've had 20 years to get their stance sorted knowing they might have to fight, or lose their lives.
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Ot they could change sides and be safe
 
dowie said:
Irrelevant really, Trump isn't in power and hasn't been since the start of the year.
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It's not irrelevant because it means that these surrender deals have been in the works for quite a while, they have not just happened very recently when Biden announced he was extending Trump's original deadline from at the latest the 1st of May to at the latest the 1st of September and bringing everyone out.

It's an important point.
 
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The Running Man said:
They've had 20 years to get their stance sorted knowing they might have to fight, or lose their lives.
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There aren't going to be that many (relatively speaking: relative to a well armed opposing army) who are likely to lose their lives. For most, it'll just be a more repressive lifestyle with fewer freedoms.

So those relatively few are not going to be able to do anything much to repel the taliban, no matter how willing they might be to fight for the cause.
 
The Taliban Leader was pictured a couple of weeks ago with some senior Chinese politician; they're clearly going to try and weasel their way in; there's already been suggestion of a new rail-line connecting China to Iran through Northern Afghanistan.
 
Semple said:
:D i didn't quite literally mean swapping their place on the wing or landing gear. But that C17 taking out what was reported as 800 refugees, i'm sure a large percentage of those will have been young men.



I would rather the men have the mentality to fight for their country, although we've all seen how much of a force the ANA put up against the Taliban to know that they have no interest in fighting. Why should the women be forced into wearing burkas, not having the freedom to choose who they marry, and being able to choose whether they want an education and a career all because the men are too cowardly to fight.



Yep that pretty much says it all.
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Because their religion says so?
 
One More Solo said:
A large proportion of western men won’t even put a bit of fabric over the face for the good of their countrymen and you’re going to sit here and say people in Afghanistan should take up arms against a well equipped and organised invasion force. Nonsense.
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As opposed to what? Accepting the Taliban's way of life... Which seems to be what you're suggesting.

It's a **** situation to be in for all. Reading on twitter and a lot of the locals are blaming the US and their allies. Disregarding the fact we should have never been there in the first place, it's not our country to resolve conflict, and 20 years spent training/arming the ANA and they can't even put up a reasonable fight.
 

No wonder it failed, it was never about nation building. Afghanistan was always a chess piece on a geopolitical board, from the mouth of one of the founders of this travesty.

In that case, although I'm very sorry for the people of Afghanistan, I am glad that both Trump and Biden had the stones to get us out of a forever war.
 
VincentHanna said:
I mean, it actually makes more sense for China to be involved, than Russia or the US.

They do have a small border that links China to Afghanistan.
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Its time that we stopped being the World's Policeman; if China want to get involved then they should sort it out.
For the UK I think some of this has been more about trying to maintain the futile idea that we still have global influence than anything else.
 
deuse said:
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I saw that on YouTube. They should have all been gassed. You can't just let people do what they want their needs to be order which is why their country is in a mess to begin with.

I understand that they are desperate but there is no way doing what they were doing was ever going to end up with them getting on a plane all the flights were cancelled and it was emergency flights only likley heavily guarded
 
Maybe Al-Qaeda and ISIS can now rebuild in Afghanistan ruled once again by the Taliban, and more strikes on western targets like the UK and USA?
 
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