Afghanistan - 20 years on

deuse said:
You still don't get it.
I gave you a clue.

Sorry but I don't spoon feed people. Go do some home work.
Or know what you're talking about before posting.
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You realise the people on the 'Doha station' screen are the negotiating team, right? And they are in Doha.

Sounds like you ****** up by believing some fake news, and have fallen back on the "You're too stupid to get it" defence

deuse said:
Where did you get that from?

"Biden did not oppose the US invasion of Afghanistan. As a US senator from Delaware, he joined his Senate colleagues in a unanimous vote in support of the 2001 resolution that authorized the use of military force against "nations, organizations, or persons" President George W. Bush determined were behind the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."
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Yes, that is what a unanimous vote is...

As a senator from Delaware in 2001, he joined a unanimous vote to approve the use of military force in Afghanistan. But he opposed the deployment of more troops Mr Obama authorised in 2009, the so-called "surge".

"Biden was pretty darn clear on Afghanistan," Brett Bruen, a former diplomat who sat in the Obama administration's National Security Council meetings, told the BBC. "He said we should get the heck out of there."

Mr Biden pushed his case and would sometimes make it personal, Mr Bruen recalled. "It was an effort to win over the room," he said.

As a White House candidate in 2019, Mr Biden reminded voters that he would be the first president since Dwight Eisenhower in the 1950s to have had a child serve in an active conflict.

In his memoir Richard Holbrooke, who was special envoy to Afghanistan in the early Obama years, remembered Mr Biden angrily telling him he was "not sending my boy back there to risk his life on behalf of [Afghan] women's rights... That's not what they're there for".
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I don't know whos idea it was for the Afghan army to keep surrendering to the Taliban and then seem surprised when they got shot.

I would not be dropping my gun to an army I've been trying to kill for the last 20 years. I'd rather be killed fighting.
 
VincentHanna said:
You realise the people on the 'Doha station' screen are the negotiating team, right? And they are in Doha.

Sounds like you ****** up by believing some fake news, and have fallen back on the "You're too stupid to get it" defence
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It looks very much to me (with a small part of that pic) that the guy in the middle of the "Doha Station" Pic is Zalmay Khalilzad who is the US Diplomat who is/was Special Envoy to Afghanistan and as it happens flew out to Doha in the last few days. Presumably the other two are State Department Officials.
Agree with you; I think too many folk saw "Station" and instantly assume CIA; I don't believe anyone in the White House is stupid enough to post a picture of an actual CIA Station Head.
 
VincentHanna said:
no words
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The labels indicated the State Department, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff all present. Unfortunately for Biden, also clearly visible was the CIA and 'Doha Station.

You're not supposed to do that by US law. They outed the CIA staff.
10/1 the Chinese and russians will have spies there to see who else is there.
Incompetence abounds at every point of the compass. It should have been taken down.
 
dowie said:
This is crazy, people actually jumped onto the side of this place/essentially sitting on the landing gear bay while it was taking off!
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OMG

I can't actually tell whether some of them are trying to prevent the aircraft from taking off, or are just trying their absolute best to hang on to for take off.

I guess the one thing that absolutely winds me up is that these are all young men who could be fighting for their own country, and offering refugee places on the plane for young women and children who's lives are going to be absolutely ruined by the Taliban.
 
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Semple said:
I guess the one thing that absolutely winds me up is that these are all young men who could be fighting for their own country, and offering refugee places on the plane for young women and children who's lives are going to be absolutely ruined by the Taliban.
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In todays day and age comments like these always make me laugh.


It seems like we are just going to take our people and leave. Not much else we can do. Don't think evacuating an entire city was ever an option.
 
Just seen the clips of people hanging on to the side of US aircraft while it's powering down the runway. Absolutely shocking, I can understand why they've done it. The additional clips of some falling once it takes off is heart breaking, one second thinking they've done it only to lose grip and fall to their death.
 
gettothechopper said:
the airport looks like its getting very out of control

C-17 footage is crazy
not sure how the final security force will fold up and get out with so many people blocking the runway
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Unfortunately I think it'll be a case of removing them with force if required. I wouldn't be surprised if an aircraft goes down when trying to depart due to people swamping it and some unlucky person going into an engine.
 
Semple said:
OMG

I can't actually tell whether some of them are trying to prevent the aircraft from taking off, or are just trying their absolute best to hang on to for take off.

I guess the one thing that absolutely winds me up is that these are all young men who could be fighting for their own country, and offering refugee places on the plane for young women and children who's lives are going to be absolutely ruined by the Taliban.
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Offering their place on the landing gear? :confused:
 
Semple said:
OMG

I can't actually tell whether some of them are trying to prevent the aircraft from taking off, or are just trying their absolute best to hang on to for take off.

I guess the one thing that absolutely winds me up is that these are all young men who could be fighting for their own country, and offering refugee places on the plane for young women and children who's lives are going to be absolutely ruined by the Taliban.
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Taliban tend to kill the men and supress the women.

So you would rather the men die so the women don't have to wear burkas and be housewives?
 
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