Afghanistan - 20 years on

darkgen said:
Incredible images coming out of Kabul airport which include Apache helicopters attempting to clear the runway, followed by young Afghan men clinging on to a C-17 and then subsequently falling to their deaths seconds after take-off.

Utter chaos.
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Tragic symmetry between this and those that lost their lives falling from the WTC 20 years ago and started this utter disaster. So many lives wasted.
 
robfosters said:
Not all of them, but I bet a fair few on that runway do.

It’s like the thousands of Arab men who flooded Europe when Merkel opened the doors. You can’t tell me they was all in the bachelors club.
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The main reason that men are fleeing conflict in places like Syria, is that they get conscripted in to the army and told to go shoot their fellow countrymen.

Women and children do not.
 
Semple said:
I guess the one thing that absolutely winds me up is that these are all young men who could be fighting for their own country, and offering refugee places on the plane for young women and children who's lives are going to be absolutely ruined by the Taliban.
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You seem to be under the impression that they have a "women and children first" mentality in Afghanistan when they absolutely do not
 
robfosters said:
That stil in no way excuses a so called man from leaving his wife and children to face the brutal regime of the Taliban.
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Make up a guy to get angry with:
Afghan, married, with kids. Doesn't want to join the Taliban so leaves them defenseless to go and hang on to the side of an aeroplane before falling to his death.

That fictional ******* :mad:
 
byeo said:
Unfortunately I think it'll be a case of removing them with force if required. I wouldn't be surprised if an aircraft goes down when trying to depart due to people swamping it and some unlucky person going into an engine.
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Yeah definitely. I guess at that point you'll have to do lifts by helicopter to a nearby country and then get transported to a plane.
 
deuse said:
Where did you get that from?

"Biden did not oppose the US invasion of Afghanistan. As a US senator from Delaware, he joined his Senate colleagues in a unanimous vote in support of the 2001 resolution that authorized the use of military force against "nations, organizations, or persons" President George W. Bush determined were behind the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001."
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You're missing out salient information. Taken from the BBC article here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58224399
...As a senator from Delaware in 2001, he joined a unanimous vote to approve the use of military force in Afghanistan. But he opposed the deployment of more troops Mr Obama authorised in 2009, the so-called "surge".

"Biden was pretty darn clear on Afghanistan," Brett Bruen, a former diplomat who sat in the Obama administration's National Security Council meetings, told the BBC. "He said we should get the heck out of there."

Mr Biden pushed his case and would sometimes make it personal, Mr Bruen recalled. "It was an effort to win over the room," he said....
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Nitefly said:
Offering their place on the landing gear? :confused:
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:D i didn't quite literally mean swapping their place on the wing or landing gear. But that C17 taking out what was reported as 800 refugees, i'm sure a large percentage of those will have been young men.

Psycho Sonny said:
Taliban tend to kill the men and supress the women.

So you would rather the men die so the women don't have to wear burkas and be housewives?
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I would rather the men have the mentality to fight for their country, although we've all seen how much of a force the ANA put up against the Taliban to know that they have no interest in fighting. Why should the women be forced into wearing burkas, not having the freedom to choose who they marry, and being able to choose whether they want an education and a career all because the men are too cowardly to fight.

Roar87 said:
You seem to be under the impression that they have a "women and children first" mentality in Afghanistan when they absolutely do not
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Yep that pretty much says it all.
 
robfosters said:
That stil in no way excuses a so called man from leaving his wife and children to face the brutal regime of the Taliban.
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Yeah, far better he leaves his wife and children to the face the brutal regime of the Taliban when he's conscripted into fighting with them. That's what a real man would do. Either that or refuse/fight against that and end up with himself and his family being horrifically tortured then executed. Their bodies left in street to be eaten by packs of abandoned dogs. A true hero.
 
Semple said:
I would rather the men have the mentality to fight for their country, although we've all seen how much of a force the ANA put up against the Taliban to know that they have no interest in fighting. Why should the women be forced into wearing burkas, not having the freedom to choose who they marry, and being able to choose whether they want an education and a career all because the men are too cowardly to fight.
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A large proportion of western men won’t even put a bit of fabric over the face for the good of their countrymen and you’re going to sit here and say people in Afghanistan should take up arms against a well equipped and organised invasion force. Nonsense.
 
One More Solo said:
A large proportion of western men won’t even put a bit of fabric over the face for the good of their countrymen and you’re going to sit here and say people in Afghanistan should take up arms against a well equipped and organised invasion force. Nonsense.
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This is the most spot on comment that I think I've read on the internet for a while.
 
One More Solo said:
A large proportion of western men won’t even put a bit of fabric over the face for the good of their countrymen and you’re going to sit here and say people in Afghanistan should take up arms against a well equipped and organised invasion force. Nonsense.
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This, I'd love to see how many in this country would fight given the same situation, it's okay to talk the talk when you are in a comfy chair.
 
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