EV general discussion

[SkodaMart]

So surely you appreciate how much better EVs are for urban environments then?

Yes they are, however they aren't the one fix solution that we are being told they are.
It makes more sense to provide green public transport into congested cities.

York for example is a joke for parking, park and ride is your best option.

 

[[TW]Fox]

The nicest thing about EV's are how quiet they are. Absolutely nobody likes the sound of a 4 cylinder diesel from outside the car (at least in some cars you can't hear them inside now) and it's somewhat crazy that they ended up in everything right down to a Fiesta.

 

[Russinating]

Yes they are, however they aren't the one fix solution that we are being told they are.
It makes more sense to provide green public transport into congested cities.

York for example is a joke for parking, park and ride is your best option.

I'm not talking about people driving into cities to park and do their shopping, I'm talking about people like me - in the millions - who live in urban environments and have to drive past houses/high streets/schools etc to leave the area or where a car is needed over a bicycle or walking.

 

[RoboCod]

irrelevant, I’m not pretending to save the planet. I don’t pat myself on the back in a smug manor because I drive an EV.

I cycled to work for 16 years, when I worked at a fixed location, I would still do that today if I was able.

Your saving the planet comment is irrelevant too, since the whole discussion came about EV being "better", not "saving the planet".

You now just sound jealous.

What have cycling and flying got to do with the price of bread? EVs are better for the environment than ICEs, most importantly in terms of urban pollution.

So you are told.
Was it the lack of cars, or the lack of aeroplanes that made the air noticeably better during the covid lockdown?
Certainly don’t spout about the environment and then get on a plane for a 2 weeks holiday.

 

[SkodaMart]

I'm not talking about people driving into cities to park and do their shopping, I'm talking about people like me - in the millions - who live in urban environments and have to drive past houses/high streets/schools etc to leave the area or where a car is needed over a bicycle or walking.

I thing a PHEV makes more sense than pure EV. Whilst economy isn't massively better than a good ICE vehicle the average will be, especially at low speed in built up areas.
Petrochemical companies have played down the benefits of hydrogen for years to protect their own interests, EV is never going to work for large vehicles such as HGVs.
I'm with Lord Bamford of JCB, I hope he is successful forwarding this technology.

A good few months ago I did suggest the best way of reducing emissions is by limiting top speed. This to my shock as much as anyone else's seems to be happening sooner rather than later.

I previously said if you think the future is 150 mph+ 0-60 2 seconds in a Tesla you are sadly mistaken. Enjoy it while you can.

 

[Tenzo]

neither does ANYONE in this thread so far. Quit the assumptions, guesses and blatant presumptions to fit the weak narrative you are trying to construct. Quiti-Mart. My main pull was 400bhp and 2p a mile. The fact it doesn’t stink is also pretty good.

Same/similar.

In order to get a nice family car, getting an EV though the company was the best option for me financially at the moment.

As a bonus, I get 400bhp, cheaper running cost and multi-coloured internal LED lights. It’s quiet too.

As an aside, I run a car that’s zero emissions.

 

[RoboCod]

EV is never going to work for large vehicles such as HGVs.

Scania and Volvo already have EV HGV's

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Scania and Volvo already have EV HGV's

Yup, and most HGVs do relatively fixed routes which are not particularly long.

Are BEHGVs going to replace cross continental trucking any time soon? Nope. Could they get most diesel in country logistics trucks off the roads? Yes absolutely. Same goes for buses and coaches.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Lord bamford has skin in the game, his son also owns a hydrogen production company and the JCB use case is nothing like cars. Big benefit in urban areas is higher utilisation due to being able to operate below the noise threshold.

I’m not sure stating you are “with him” really bolsters his stance…

 

[Alibaba99]

I thing a PHEV makes more sense than pure EV. Whilst economy isn't massively better than a good ICE vehicle the average will be, especially at low speed in built up areas.
Petrochemical companies have played down the benefits of hydrogen for years to protect their own interests, EV is never going to work for large vehicles such as HGVs.
I'm with Lord Bamford of JCB, I hope he is successful forwarding this technology.

A good few months ago I did suggest the best way of reducing emissions is by limiting top speed. This to my shock as much as anyone else's seems to be happening sooner rather than later.

I previously said if you think the future is 150 mph+ 0-60 2 seconds in a Tesla you are sadly mistaken. Enjoy it while you can.

And what are your plans for solving the huge energy requirements for manufacturing the hydrogen, it only really makes sense if you have large amounts of nuclear or hydro-electric so currently isn't suitable for a quite a number of countries, and then the logistical problems of transporting and storing it?

 

[SkodaMart]

And what are your plans for solving the huge energy requirements for manufacturing the hydrogen, it only really makes sense if you have large amounts of nuclear or hydro-electric so currently isn't suitable for a quite a number of countries, and then the logistical problems of transporting and storing it?

Green Hydrogen, The Fuel Of The Future, Set For 50-Fold Expansion (forbes.com)

Hydrogen isn't without it's problems either. EVs may form 'part' of the long term solution, however they certainly aren't the answer full stop.
It's utterly ridiculous forcing as all down this ill thought out, non sustainable 'future' especially in such a short timescale.

 

[ICDP]

Yes they are, however they aren't the one fix solution that we are being told they are.
It makes more sense to provide green public transport into congested cities.

York for example is a joke for parking, park and ride is your best option.

You keep saying they are not a one fix solution but not one EV owner this thread has said they were. Aeroplanes and congested cities are separate issues that do not change the environmental impacts of EV vs ICE in any way whatsoever.

Nobody is putting EVs forward as a solution to congestion, that was your illogical leap. You keep putting strawmen arguments into a debate nobody is having and then feeling all smug that "you showed them". All you are doing is demonstrating your total lack of logic.

 

[ICDP]

Green Hydrogen, The Fuel Of The Future, Set For 50-Fold Expansion (forbes.com)

Hydrogen isn't without it's problems either. EVs may form 'part' of the long term solution, however they certainly aren't the answer full stop.
It's utterly ridiculous forcing as all down this ill thought out, non sustainable 'future' especially in such a short timescale.

Nobody said they were, again you come back arguing with yourself.

 

[VaderDSL]

In terms of heat pumps, I noticed you can spec one for £1k ish on the ID3, in our climate is it a must or a pass? I was looking at one, and I do commute at 5am in the mornings so usually pretty cold in winter. Commute is only 65 miles round trip 4 times a week.

Edit : Reading into it, a lot of people are less than delighted with the heat pump, more that they don't get the range increase they were expecting for the price.

Thinking of it more, if I do get one, it'll just be plugged into the EV charger each night to pre-condition, and I won't be doing many long journeys anyhow, especially in winter.

 

[ICDP]

In terms of heat pumps, I noticed you can spec one for £1k ish on the ID3, in our climate is it a must or a pass? I was looking at one, and I do commute at 5am in the mornings so usually pretty cold in winter. Commute is only 65 miles round trip 4 times a week.

Pass on it, totaly pointless here in the UK as we rarely get below -5c and even then it is for at most a few days or weeks. Or to put it another way, if you are doing ~15,000 miles per year at 2p per mile that is £300 per year. At best a heatpump will save you 10% range in winter which lasts 3 months, so 10% of £300 is £30 divided by 4 = about £7.50 per years savings. So the savings are miniscule for the total outlay. On the other hand if 15-20 miles (at ultra best case scenario) is make or break on a car doing 200 miles on full charge, then go for it.

 

[VaderDSL]

Pass on it, totaly pointless here in the UK as we rarely get below -5c and even then it is for at most a few days or weeks. Or to put it another way, if you are doing ~15,000 miles per year at 2p per mile that is £300 per year. At best a heatpump will save you 10% range in winter which lasts 3 months, so 10% of £300 is £30 divided by 4 = about £7.50 per years savings. So the savings are miniscule for the total outlay. On the other hand if 15-20 miles (at ultra best case scenario) is make or break on a car doing 200 miles on full charge, then go for it.

Cheers, definitely seems to be the consensus, I guess as you say if I needed to eek out every mile from the battery on regular long trips it might be worth it, but then I'd be needing to look at larger battery packs/longer range cars.

 

[ICDP]

Cheers, definitely seems to be the consensus, I guess as you say if I needed to eek out every mile from the battery on regular long trips it might be worth it, but then I'd be needing to look at larger battery packs/longer range cars.

Yeah I read into it as well and VW were claiming 25% more winter range and as usual it was pure BS. The best way to increase winter range is to preheat before leaving. Even better if you have it plugged in and charging until you need it. So on a winter commute I would set the timer to have the car charged up and preheated by 7am, just as I was planning to leave.

Car was nice and warm, windows defrosted and battery was warmed up all from the house power. To put it some numbers, doing this would give me 20%+ more range than just jumping in to a cold car that needed defrosted and warmed up.

I have had ICE cars that allow remote setting of "preheat", but I use the term loosely because they just blew cold air inside tha cabin.

EDIT: I will be speccing a Q4 at some point soon for lease and the mony for the optional £900 heatpump will be better served getting the adaptive suspension.

 

[m4rmite]

Yes they are, however they aren't the one fix solution that we are being told they are.
It makes more sense to provide green public transport into congested cities.

York for example is a joke for parking, park and ride is your best option.

What would your choice of green public transport be?
Electric trams/ trains/buses?
Or hydrogen or another fuel type?

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Yes they are, however they aren't the one fix solution that we are being told they are.
It makes more sense to provide green public transport into congested cities.

York for example is a joke for parking, park and ride is your best option.

Got to pull you up on the parking in York, that’s completely untrue. There is a vast amount of parking spaces in the city centre. Pre and post covid I’ve not once struggled to park in the city.

 

[Demon]

Cheers, definitely seems to be the consensus, I guess as you say if I needed to eek out every mile from the battery on regular long trips it might be worth it, but then I'd be needing to look at larger battery packs/longer range cars.

I almost held out for one when looking at ID3’s for the Mrs, I went in thinking I would prefer one, however, when we finally had some deals on the table, everything with a heat pump was at least £2.5k more expensive since the dealers with them did not want to budge as much, so that made our minds up for us.