EV general discussion

[jpaul]

Pass on it, totaly pointless here in the UK as we rarely get below -5c

I agree that there wouldn'tr be a return in the UK on the £1k id3 heat pump investment, versus spending on electricity.
it's unclear what climate you would need to live in for them to be energy efficient though ? - the tesla one, which is not c02 like the vw, was less efficient at low temperatures, so the default installation in the Y maybe undesirable in the scandinavian countries, and paradoxically, most beneficial in moderates like the UK

pre-conditioning looking at tesla heat pump video seems that at -7c(-14 windchill) the heatpump version is taking more W/mile, so heat-pump probably wouldn't be sufficiently powerful/versatile for use as a battery heating solution alone : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsSxpq-xUMY
from https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/lhx1ox/2021_model_3_heat_pump_cant_handle_the_cold/

After reading an article on id3 heatpumps https://www.goingelectric.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=393&t=58265&start=50
if you are able to pre-warm the car (daytime rates - yes) their benefit may not be so great, unless you live up North.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Yes they are, however they aren't the one fix solution that we are being told they are.
It makes more sense to provide green public transport into congested cities.

York for example is a joke for parking, park and ride is your best option.

I'm buying an EV and "Saving the planet" has nothing to do with that decision. My choice is very selfish.

It's cheap to run, offers excellent performance for a family orientated platform and to a lesser degree safeguards me against future additional taxation or penalty on ICE. I also get parking perks.

Anyway, from reading your posts you seem ignorant (perhaps willingly) to the bigger picture.

Whilst BEVs may not be the entire solution they are certainly part of it, if not in platform and technology alone but the shift in culture and mindset.

BEVs have gone from the eco warrior/cheap motoring prospect towards being ACTUALLY desirable vehicles to own and run.

I have a stupidly overpowered, loud, fast and obnoxious 1300cc motorbike that isn't going anywhere. My BEV will give me quick, cheap running and effortless motoring from a car. I was never a person who was AT ALL interested in a BEV 5 years ago. The fact I am now demonstrates how the market has shifted along with customer perceptions. This IS the sort of thing required to make an overall change work. The ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles alone isn't going to achieve it and you have to start somewhere.

Your argument of 'Not the solution, you are wasting your time' is shortsighted and backwards.

 

[Simon]

He just doesn’t like change. Wouldn’t waste your time to be honest

 

[Bear]

He just doesn’t like change. Wouldn’t waste your time to be honest

He doesnt like what he cant afford, that was demonstrated in the thread where he didnt understand why people bought nice expensive cars.

 

[nox_uk]

When I can get an electric camper, press ‘drive to work’ and sit in the back drinking coffee

 

[Bear]

When I can get an electric camper, press ‘drive to work’ and sit in the back drinking coffee

I think I read somewhere VW are looking to bring an EV version of the camper van.

Edit: Looks like its called the ID Buzz, so you will be part way there

 

[Rroff]

When I can get an electric camper, press ‘drive to work’ and sit in the back drinking coffee

I saw a camper van based on a Nissan NV200 the other day with a 60-70 mile range on a full charge... bit of a head scratcher for me.

EDIT: I assume it isn't a hybrid or something? seems utterly pointless/niche to me.

 

[ICDP]

Same as most I went EV because I was getting a very nice car that happened to be electric. I hated EVs 5 years ago not on principal but because the main design theme seemed to be make them stand out and be different. Back then most EVs were for people who think buying things that look weirdly different makes them cool. Apart form the Tsela Model S, they were literally hideous looking in my opinion but over the past few years things have changed. Car manufacturers are mostly making normal looking cars that happen to be electric. Apart from the hideous exesstential crisis suffering Ioniq 5 in my opinion. Is it from the 80s or modern? is it a small hatcback or a giant SUV?

The saving the planet thing is purely incidental but perfectly fine by me as I happen to believe climate change is real.

Once I drove my EV for a year I realised it was a much nicer experience than a diesel or a petrol equivalent and am now an EV convert. 80% because they are a better experience and 20% because they are cleaner. So don't get me wrong, I would still be driving ICE if it wasn't for the fact that EVs are now starting to look like normal cars instead of those hideous trying too hard/look at me eyesores.

 

[nox_uk]

I saw a camper van based on a Nissan NV200 the other day with a 60-70 mile range on a full charge... bit of a head scratcher for me.

EDIT: I assume it isn't a hybrid or something? seems utterly pointless/niche to me.

and would have to have a significantly better than that range! it was in answer to the 'when' will I get one too, (thread title) - I think it will be a ways off...

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Those old ENV-200’s run on the Leaf power train, if it only had 70 miles range it was probably an old 24kwh and not exactly representative of things to come. The original leaf launched nearly 11 years ago.

 

[Bear]

Same as most I went EV because I was getting a very nice car that happened to be electric. I hated EVs 5 years ago not on principal but because the main design theme seemed to be make them stand out and be different. Back then most EVs were for people who think buying things that look weirdly different makes them cool. Apart form the Tsela Model S, they were literally hideous looking in my opinion but over the past few years things have changed. Car manufacturers are mostly making normal looking cars that happen to be electric. Apart from the hideous exesstential crisis suffering Ioniq 5 in my opinion. Is it from the 80s or modern? is it a small hatcback or a giant SUV?

Im more than happy to drive an EV even though I dont have a drive so cant do home charging, I think I could make it work. The only thing stopping me at the moment is I dont like any of the cars currently on offer, the vast majority of EVs at the moment are SUVs and the ones that arent are crazy expensive (talking Taycan), dont particularly like Teslas.

I dont even have a problem with driving a car that doesnt look conventional, I would have loved it if Mercedes made the EQS like the concept they came out with. With my lack of home charging, decent range is a must and my current car is an E class so I will probably end up with either an EQS or an EQE if and when they get released

 

[im4gine3]

went electric once and loved it.. however got pulled over because they said my go-kart was not street legal.. back to my beemer then

 

[Greebo]

Im more than happy to drive an EV even though I dont have a drive so cant do home charging, I think I could make it work. The only thing stopping me at the moment is I dont like any of the cars currently on offer, the vast majority of EVs at the moment are SUVs and the ones that arent are crazy expensive (talking Taycan), dont particularly like Teslas.

I dont even have a problem with driving a car that doesnt look conventional, I would have loved it if Mercedes made the EQS like the concept they came out with. With my lack of home charging, decent range is a must and my current car is an E class so I will probably end up with either an EQS or an EQE if and when they get released

EQS out this winter.

Dont know what their concept looked like, but love the actual car

 

[Greebo]

I saw a camper van based on a Nissan NV200 the other day with a 60-70 mile range on a full charge... bit of a head scratcher for me.

EDIT: I assume it isn't a hybrid or something? seems utterly pointless/niche to me.

it only has a 24 kWh battery pack is is designed to be a local town/city delivery van. But even Nissan realised that the range was pants and upped the battery to 40kWh in 2018 which at least gives a 110 mile range.

Still a strange choice for a manufacturer to pick as a suitable donor vehicle to make into a camper van though.

 

[Rroff]

it only has a 24 kWh battery pack is is designed to be a local town/city delivery van. But even Nissan realised that the range was pants and upped the battery to 40kWh in 2018 which at least gives a 110 mile range.

Still a strange choice for a manufacturer to pick as a suitable donor vehicle to make into a camper van though.

It was a partly professional, part DIY conversion - maybe some method to the madness but didn't seem to make sense to me.

 

[Bear]

EQS out this winter.

Dont know what their concept looked like, but love the actual car

I thought the concept looked amazing. Obviously the controls had to change to something more conventional but I thought the exterior was worth keeping. https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/vehicles/passenger-cars/concept-cars/vision-eqs/

 

[Greebo]

I thought the concept looked amazing. Obviously the controls had to change to something more conventional but I thought the exterior was worth keeping. https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/vehicles/passenger-cars/concept-cars/vision-eqs/

Oh I see what you mean. Yes that is drop dead gorgeous!

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Wouldn't it be nice if people adopted EV because it was genuinely better rather than because ICE was made artificially awful through speed restrictions and EV made better through tax breaks.

EV's are apparently the best cars ever, so why do we need to make the alternatives awful to get people to move?

Sorry bit late to reply been mainly off the forum since.

It is genuinely better when it comes to local air quality which is what is behind most of the reduced speed limits now.

So it passes your test.

 

[jpaul]

not quite a 100K EQS - tv adverts now for the renault arkana (does look a bit bmw x4/6'ish) seems to have a hybrid range extender strategy,
like that, that will be deployed in the UK Nissans, when build starts, I thought bmw i3's uniquely had that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaLoc5MQnpk parallel hybrid mode.

Competes against Polestar with the rear brake light bar, too


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I'm buying an EV and "Saving the planet" has nothing to do with that decision. My choice is very selfish.
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Whilst BEVs may not be the entire solution they are certainly part of it, if not in platform and technology alone but the shift in culture and mindset.

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The underlying point, and, look up the origin of the gilet jaunes - french protest,
is that government are overly subsidising ev's, which, yes, are part of the solution; as opposed to diverting more cash into other schemes, to reduce global warming and congestion in towns.
the, selfish, bane of my life is time sitting in traffic queues in Cambridge, for which, any cars are not the solution, rather, better public transport(&park&ride)
or levelling up, where companies recognise people can have a better standard of living if they set up elsewhere;
the gloss is wearing off the covid originated working from home, no loss of productivity, dreams.

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[Cosmic182]

What home chargers do most people have?