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weird thread ?
the point he was obviously making was environmental impact of flying versus driving an ICE car
eg. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...-how-to-cut-your-carbon-emissions-when-flying
A return flight from London to San Francisco emits around 5.5 tonnes of CO2 equivalent (CO2e) per person – more than twice the emissions produced by a family car in a year, and about half of the average carbon footprint of someone living in Britain. Even a return flight from London to Berlin emits around 0.6 tonnes CO2e – three times the emissions saved from a year of recycling.

And emissions from planes are rising rapidly – they increased by 32% between 2013 and 2018. While improving fuel efficiency is gradually reducing the emissions per passenger, it is not keeping up with the rapid increase in total passenger numbers, which are projected to double in the next 20 years.
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so driving a bev as an environmental badge of honour is not a panacea - Greggsbread and butter
 
jpaul said:
weird thread ?
the point he was obviously making was environmental impact of flying versus driving an ICE car
eg. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...-how-to-cut-your-carbon-emissions-when-flying


so driving a bev as an environmental badge of honour is not a panacea - Greggsbread and butter
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Nice strawman, none of the EV owners posting here said it was a panacea, just that it was better than an ICE. Or are you suggesting that BEVs are useless because of aeroplanes?

Everybody, jpaul says stop recycling, stop driving EVs, stop walking or cycling and just drive your dirty diesel because jet planes exist. That was a sarcastic comment to show how silly it looks when we start throwing pointless strawmen around.
 
ICDP said:
Nice strawman, none of the EV owners posting here said it was a panacea, just that it was better than an ICE. Or are you suggesting that BEVs are useless because of aeroplanes?
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It wasn't a strawman it was addressing skodasmarts gunned down comment, on the financial merit of government 'pushing' ev's, when, indeed, there are other environmental faux-pas's
 
EVs are as much about the very micro local emissions. In reality ICE vehicles are having a very real impact here and now in urban centres. The lifetime emissions are just a bonus IMO.

You wouldn’t notice if you spend a lot of time in the middle of a city but having spent the last 18 months working at home in a rural area and I can now pick up the stench of diesel fumes as soon as one comes anywhere near me. To be honest, it’s not something I really want to go back to.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
EVs are as much about the very micro local emissions. In reality ICE vehicles are having a very real impact here and now in urban centres. The lifetime emissions are just a bonus IMO.

You wouldn’t notice if you spend a lot of time in the middle of a city but having spent the last 18 months working at home in a rural area and I can now pick up the stench of diesel fumes as soon as one comes anywhere near me. To be honest, it’s not something I really want to go back to.
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Its even worse if you ride a bicycle and see cars spew black smoke/soot at you when they pass
 
jpaul said:
It wasn't a strawman it was addressing skodasmarts gunned down comment, on the financial merit of government 'pushing' ev's, when, indeed, there are other environmental faux-pas's
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Yes I got that but my point is that while fossil fueled cars and aeroplanes both cause pollution, tackling them can be done independently. We cannot declare that EVs are not a viable part of the solution because they quite clearly are.

BEVs have the potential to be 100% green compared to ICE. In order for that to happen more renewable energy needs to be used in battery production and on the national grid used to recharge them. We already see movement in the right direction for battery production and for renewable energy and even for the production of EVs.

So the arguments that EV and battery production still pollute is one that has less and less merit each year.

My own experience from people who argue EVs are pointless is that they want an excuse not to go EV and need something... ANYTHING to convince themselves that EVs are worthless for "their needs". I get it if you have no drive or access to a charging point and that the infrastructure needs work but most people can get an EV with ~250 miles of range for the same price (or less) than their current ICE SUV. Hell my own EV has a range of 170 Summer and 130 winter and it has served me perfectly fine for all my driving needs. Oh no, I have to charge it up for 20-30 minutes at a charger for those one or two longer family trips I take each year, how the **** will I cope with such horrors.

I particullarly love when ICE advocates bring up the easily ridiculed biased reports that imply that an ICE car magically appeared from thin air at the dealership. Rather than be built in the same factories as an EV and put on the same transporters as the EVs to get to the dealership. Or that diesel or petrol magically sits ready to be easily collected from the ground and doesn't get refined with the massive pollution that process creates. Or that the same magic means it doesn't need to get put on ships and trucks to get to the garage forecourt in the first place etc. Yet the same report goes on to detail how much fossil fuel is burnt to power the factories that create EV batteries in China.
 
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Russinating said:
As above, what are you talking about?
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Use an EV for personal benefit only.
Don’t think you are saving the planet by driving one, it’s a lie.
It would be more beneficial to plant more trees than drive an EV, we are probably only offsetting the destruction of the rain forests anyway.
EVs are the next dieselgate, you have been sold a lie, but if that benefits you personally in the short term enjoy it for now.
 
jpaul said:
It wasn't a strawman it was addressing skodasmarts gunned down comment, on the financial merit of government 'pushing' ev's, when, indeed, there are other environmental faux-pas's
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Aslong as his MASSIVE assumption is true, which it wasn’t. Which is why justifiably it was gunned down. Especially given the context of some of his other threads.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
better than going on two 1 week holidays… What’s your point?

walking around town now diesel is just nasty. End of.
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Diesel has always been nasty but enough of you bought the lie and purchased luxury saloons powered by the filthy stuff.
Just because it was economical to do so? Company tax incentives.
Well EV is the same lie, open your eyes
 
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SkodaMart said:
Use an EV for personal benefit only.
Don’t think you are saving the planet by driving one, it’s a lie.
It would be more beneficial to plant more trees than drive an EV, we are probably only offsetting the destruction of the rain forests anyway.
EVs are the next dieselgate, you have been sold a lie, but if that benefits you personally in the short term enjoy it for now.
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go plant a tree rather than lecturing us here.

I wasn’t sold the lie, I help make it.
 
RoboCod said:
What do you drive?
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irrelevant, I’m not pretending to save the planet. I don’t pat myself on the back in a smug manor because I drive an EV.

I cycled to work for 16 years, when I worked at a fixed location, I would still do that today if I was able.
 
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SkodaMart said:
irrelevant, I’m not pretending to save the planet. I don’t pat myself on the back in a smug manor because I drive an EV.
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neither does ANYONE in this thread so far. Quit the assumptions, guesses and blatant presumptions to fit the weak narrative you are trying to construct. Quiti-Mart. My main pull was 400bhp and 2p a mile. The fact it doesn’t stink is also pretty good.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
neither does ANYONE in this thread so far. Quick the assumptions, guesses and blatant presumptions to fit the weak narrative you are trying to construct. My main pull was 400bhp and 2p a mile. The fact it doesn’t stink is also pretty good.
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Read my posts, I said enjoy it for personal gain.
 
SkodaMart said:
Use an EV for personal benefit only.
Don’t think you are saving the planet by driving one, it’s a lie.
It would be more beneficial to plant more trees than drive an EV, we are probably only offsetting the destruction of the rain forests anyway.
EVs are the next dieselgate, you have been sold a lie, but if that benefits you personally in the short term enjoy it for now.
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Have you walked down a busy high street recently? What's your argument for EVs being no better than ICEs in that scenario?
 
Russinating said:
Have you walked down a busy high street recently? What's your argument for EVs being no better than ICEs in that scenario?
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As I said above I cycled for 16 years (edited post). I know how bad road fumes are.
I take the train when I visit the city centre.
 
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