Are you talking about amber gamblers cutting it a bit too fine, or car drivers deliberately driving through a light that was already red before they reached it?
Cyclists apopletic about law being applied to them
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Are you talking about amber gamblers cutting it a bit too fine, or car drivers deliberately driving through a light that was already red before they reached it?
So you claim at least four cars go through a solid red light EVERYTIME you're at a controlled junction.
There are enough facepalm memes in the world for this ridiculous fantasy.
Man of Honour
I said two my side but if they're coming through from the other side it could be likely or staggered lights. But yes, everytime I'm driving a couple of cars in front of me will go through on red and sometimes I'll have a driver behind me honking at me to go through.
I'd just like to add they are always car drivers and not lorry or white van drivers.
The most I've seen go through on red is 5 at lights in Stoke.
Could I have a toke on your bong?
Typical angry motoristCyclist here who also owns and taxes two vehicles. Happily obey road rules too and it’s generally the people in vehicles who are ass hats in my experience
Commissario
Actually it isn't.
Going through a red light on a bike is quite a risky thing in a busy area, and likely to lead to near misses. Do it enough and you end up with it no longer a near miss, but a hit, and if you're unlucky your family get a visit from a family support officer.
IIRC about 3 or 4 years ago when there was a spate of cyclists killed in London the bike groups pushed for police action on people breaking the law at junctions and putting cyclists at risk, and the got very upset when the police did couple of weeks of zero tolerance at several higher risk junctions, mainly because the police ended up stopping more cyclists than drivers as cyclists were doing things like ignoring the lights and doing risky manoeuvres whilst the drivers on the whole weren't (IIRC of the deaths that led to it, I think only was was purely the fault of the driver, the others were things like jumping lights by the bikes or passing inside whilst a lorry was already turning).
All road users should be following the law.
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Soldato
This is the point I was making as well... The cyclist see it as an inconvenience to stop and why can't they just go through the red light but it's the driver of the vehicle that hits them from the other side of the junction that has to live with the cyclists decision.
If the cyclist decision meant no one else could have consequences then no issue here, but that's not always the case and, therefore, removing the human element via the use of computer controlled lights, minimises this.
Unfortunately this side of the discussion is drowned out by the motorist v cyclist arguments and point scoring.
Trying to pass trucks on the inside when they’re indicating to turn left is one of the dumbest things that anyone can do, no matter what they’re driving or riding, I’ve even seen cars try it when an articulated truck has to take the corner wide but has been indicating left for enough time for the car driver to see.
Driving down Fleet Street one day, toward Ludgate Circus, I was following a mobile cement mixer truck who 50 or 60 metres before the lights, indicated a left into Farringdon Street.
As the truck slowed, a cyclist passed me on the inside, (perfectly legally), and proceeded to try and do the same with the cement truck, which by now was making the left turn.
I was mildly bemused to watch the cyclist, banging his fist on the revolving cement drum and shouting ineffectually, being forced to turn into Farringdon Street with the truck.
Police can impose a points deduction for cyclists with licenses - not sure why they didn't do so in this example, threat of a car insurance hike would modify their behaviour.
in this case not sure if we know whether they went through as it went red , or blatantly on red,
equally do we know how many cyclists did stop eg.the ones arriving on solid red.
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You filthy motorists have no right to complain about anything on the road whilst you willingly kill people with you toxic emmissions.
Soldato
Anyone telling cyclists to use cycle lanes should spend an hour on a bike in an urban setting and realise how **** travel provision is for everyone other than motorists. Bike lanes often have more risk points by forcing you to cross minor roads etc where roads enable you to proceed straight on. They’re badly kept and full of rubbish and glass. Pedestrians will often step into them without warning. They usually only exist where there is space for them and disappear where there isn’t. It doesn’t take a genius to work out that separate infrastructure is most needed where roads are narrower, rather than wider.
Of course, none of this would be an issue if people had an ounce of patience and consideration for their fellow humans. And it all rather overlooks the elephant in the room that the biggest source of delay for motorists is other motorists.
Of course, none of this would be an issue if people had an ounce of patience and consideration for their fellow humans. And it all rather overlooks the elephant in the room that the biggest source of delay for motorists is other motorists.
Soldato
This is a complete myth, you can’t get points on your licence for an offence on a bicycle.
Man of Honour
Probably all cyclists in this thread also own cars, I think I know one that doesn't.
We are also filthy motorists that pay a tax for the emissions we make.
Soldato
Two. I don't drive anymore.
I know some cyclists who say that the reason they go side by side on country roads is for safety reasons. So many motorists think, "plenty of room for me to get past there", even on blind corners. So I do try to be patient with cyclists in these scenarios. It is the urban cyclist I have less sympathy for, especially the red light breakers or the ones who drive on pavements.
I was coming up to a set of lights at a crossroad juntion that went green as I approached. I slowed down without stopping completely and checked it was clear to proceed and it was because the traffic on both sides had stopped at the white line. Suddenly a cyclist shot out from behind the stopped traffic on my left, right hrough the red light and narrowly missed my bonnet. He lost control and hit the front wing of a car that was coming out of the junction opposite me. He was a bit bruised but his bike was in very poor shape, as was the side if the car he had hit. I got out of the car to see if he was OK and to be honest to give him a piece of my mind for being so stupid. He picked himself up and was cleary in a bit of pain but still had the strength to give me abuse for "running him off the road" and that I was going to get sued etc. I said I had dashcam footage of him breaking the red light and amazingly he lost interest in suing me all of a sudden.
The woman who owned the car he hit was not in the least bit pleased and was threating to phone the police. I said I would give her my number and would go as witness and provide the dashcam footage of the incident. At this point the cyclist realised he was not in a good position legally and agreed to exhange contact details and pay for the repairs to the car.
Don't get me wrong, I get that motorists can be stupid as well but running a red light in a bicycle just stupid.
I was coming up to a set of lights at a crossroad juntion that went green as I approached. I slowed down without stopping completely and checked it was clear to proceed and it was because the traffic on both sides had stopped at the white line. Suddenly a cyclist shot out from behind the stopped traffic on my left, right hrough the red light and narrowly missed my bonnet. He lost control and hit the front wing of a car that was coming out of the junction opposite me. He was a bit bruised but his bike was in very poor shape, as was the side if the car he had hit. I got out of the car to see if he was OK and to be honest to give him a piece of my mind for being so stupid. He picked himself up and was cleary in a bit of pain but still had the strength to give me abuse for "running him off the road" and that I was going to get sued etc. I said I had dashcam footage of him breaking the red light and amazingly he lost interest in suing me all of a sudden.
The woman who owned the car he hit was not in the least bit pleased and was threating to phone the police. I said I would give her my number and would go as witness and provide the dashcam footage of the incident. At this point the cyclist realised he was not in a good position legally and agreed to exhange contact details and pay for the repairs to the car.
Don't get me wrong, I get that motorists can be stupid as well but running a red light in a bicycle just stupid.
Man of Honour
Man of Honour
I'm an avid cyclist and a motorist of many years. I've seen some hair raising close calls on my bike, and a few in the car too. I believe we all should be more tolerant of each other. There are lots of pros and cons to each argument, but the bottom line is, cyclists are legally entitled to use the road, and the cycle path. Using the cycle path is my preference but it is quite often not possible, due to dog walkers (with dogs off leads), and groups of pensioners who think they are more entitled than I. But that said, where I can, I use the cycle path.
I would never dream of riding two abreast, especially on narrow roads. It's just plain rude, even if it is legal. I think a lot of people need to use their common sense, and many motorists (and cyclists for that matter) are in too much of a rush to use their brain accordingly.
I would never dream of riding two abreast, especially on narrow roads. It's just plain rude, even if it is legal. I think a lot of people need to use their common sense, and many motorists (and cyclists for that matter) are in too much of a rush to use their brain accordingly.
This is kinda my problem with those that do that, although when myself and mates go out on our motorbikes on country lanes and come up against 3 riding abreast, it's rather dangerous for all.
One mate often slaps the outer rider round the helmet as he passes, then stops until they catch up, then rides a little bit further etc etc
It's a bit childish, but super super funny seeing some fat 50 year old going mental