Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Twinz said:
I don't think people should be banned for unpopular opinions, but I do enjoy pointing out their folly.

"Just a military exercise." They said.
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sorry yes I meant banned from the thread, because they're just filling it up with their rubbish and taking the conversation away from what's actually happening to Ukraine right now
 
BowdonUK said:
I understand the argument Putin as made to justify this overall invasion on Ukraine i.e. that NATO was moving ever closer to the Russian border and now the question of Ukraine joining NATO give Putin the excuse of supporting rebels inside Ukraine as a pretext for him sending in troops who would then continue from the rebel areas in to the wider country.

But its all predicated on the assumption that NATO was building up some sort of planned attack on Russia. I don't see that happening. Yes the West as been very wary of the political figures inside Russia. I would make a guess this is why the Soviet Union/Russia was denied permission to join NATO 4 times in the past. But Putin himself represents the ending of the old era. NATO was more likely just to wait things out and see what happens after Putin had died.
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The thing is he has now provoked Finland and Sweden into wanting to join NATO and encouraged us to reinforce NATO countries. Also, I doubt he would have invaded Ukraine if it were a NATO country, or at least not so brazenly like this, which proves they were right to want to join (not that it was on the cards). His actions are counterproductive to his stated concerns which is why I don't believe him and given his deranged speech I think he's just another dictator who believes his country should rule the world.
 
dowie said:
I don't think they should at all, ideally Russia should face an insurgency in Ukraine too and more sanctions (if some EU countries pull their fingers out). Putin doesn't have too much hope of taking Western Ukraine if they resist, he's already found it harder than he perhaps expected to get as far as he's managed so far. This whole thing can become a very costly misadventure for Putin at a time when Russia can't afford it - if we're lucky, in the long run, could result in him being toppled from power - "retired for medical reasons" etc..
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just think the human cost will be far too great, as much as I’d like the see the Russians / Putin take a pummelling.
 
XeNoN89 said:
There's a couple of people in this thread, the sames ones telling us this invasion was never going to happen, now playing the 'but the evil west' card. Surely Mods should be banning these morons?
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The West have very misguidedly assimilated a lot of people from third world countries, either through kindness or very dangerous liberalism and globalism, Germany in particular, although our dinghy born arrivals are mounting daily. Many immigrants, legal or illegal harbour hatred for western governments and this tinder box situation may well see them further emboldened, as if we don't have enough problems already. Many of us saw this coming, but were shouted down as racist and xenophobic.

Talk of punching bullies in the face was silenced two generations ago, offering the bullies counselling, apologies and gifts was the new way, so no surprise that strong regimes like Russia's see the West as weak, if not barking mad, and already down on one knee in supplication.
 
Washout said:
Thing is Russian troops have reached lots of Ukraine cities. None have fallen yet though. Donbas is till fighting and that’s where everyone thought the hammer would fall hardest
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But Kiev is the capital. Hard for Ukraine to recover from that kind of loss.
 
Johno please? said:
Iraqis are undoubtedly better off not being under the control of Saddam Hussein, its very hard for those of us living in relative freedom to imagine being under that kind of regime.

I dislike war but I dislike fascism even more.
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But Saddam is one of ours. He was recruited and trained by the CIA. He was funded by the west he was absolutely fine when he was useful to us. The problem is when a person or nation is no longer willing to be controlled or subservient, at that point we go in.

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.
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https://archive.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/169-history/36408.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_War
 
Chris Wilson said:
The West have very misguidedly assimilated a lot of people from third world countries, either through kindness or very dangerous liberalism and globalism, Germany in particular, although our dinghy born arrivals are mounting daily. Many immigrants, legal or illegal harbour hatred for western governments and this tinder box situation may well see them further emboldened, as if we don't have enough problems already. Many of us saw this coming, but were shouted down as racist and xenophobic.

Talk of punching bullies in the face was silenced two generations ago, offering the bullies counselling, apologies and gifts was the new way, so no surprise that strong regimes like Russia's see the West as weak, if not barking mad, and already down on one knee in supplication.
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Nonsense, many see the west as a safe place, where your door is not going to get booted in at 3am.
 
Sankari said:
But Kiev is the capital. Hard for Ukraine to recover from that kind of loss.
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Agree but my point being just because they get some armour there doesn’t mean they’ve taken it. Ukrainians don’t seem to be taking them on in the open countryside as they’re outclassed in the air and outnumbered on the ground. As soon as they hit cities that flips
 
If the rest of the world are too worried to put men on the ground to help Ukraine because of the threat of Nukes being used, then the whole world should stop buying, trading etc from Russia...totally.

Ban Russia from everything
 
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