Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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We get it you hate the west. None of your anti-west nonsense has anything to do with this thread. Go and start a new thread on it if it interests you so much.
I don’t hate the west I live here in England. Why are you so blinkered. You’re claiming on one hand Russia is an evil empire committing atrocities in Ukraine and elsewhere but you don’t seem to share the same resentment in what we are responsible for. I have no dog in this fight I’m as English as anyone here but not so patriotic as to condemn with one hand yet cover my eyes with the other.
 
It won't happen. But I hope individual countries remember who did what during this. It would be amazing if a bit more of the world was brought to the table to really sort some of the **** out beyond this crisis. I doubt it but can but hope.

Yes I hope countries and people remember the countries not doing the right things in such times.

very sad times :(

Dimitri Antonov (the main pilot) posted earlier that it was safely stored. I'd be gutted if this bird was blown up.

Sadly she's gone :( I was gutted to hear this not just because I love planes but because she was a very well respected symbol of Ukraine and she was used in so many missions for good and moving cargo that could not be moved in any other way and of course her main use and reason she was built the soviet space race and the Buran (Soviet space shuttle).



https://www.space.com/buran-shuttle-carrier-plane-antonov-an-225-mriya-destroyed-russia-ukraine





There is a second fuselage that was not completed but no idea if they hit that too, but Mriya was the only fully built and flying Antonov AN-225 and no others in the world :(.

Picture of the second AN-225 fuselage that was not completed.

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Even if it's true, I'm not sure you want to goad them in by using it against them. The Russian's have a lot more to fire back with... and that would give them them the go ahead to use them at will.

You think they will hold back regardless?

Get the MRLS pointed at the supply convoy and wipe it out, the Russian advance will be dead in days, reports they are already out of food/fuel and if this convoy gets taken out it could let Ukraine start pushing back.
 
Why do you and others keep saying he'll "never launch nukes"? Remembering all the previous "he'll never do this....." events.

Like others, I'm not saying he'll do it but it's silly to think this isn't a "possiblity"

He has got 2or 3 daughters to think of

This^^ He would basically be signing the death certificates of his children and family. Maybe they don't die in the nuclear exchange but Russian cities are turned to glass, if the radiation doesn't get them disease and famine probably would. Those billions of $ he's stolen will be worthless. Also I just don't see the military following through on a launch order if Russia isn't being attacked. They've all got families as well. Far easier to remove Putin from power than authorise the end of the world.
 
You think they will hold back regardless?

Get the MRLS pointed at the supply convoy and wipe it out, the Russian advance will be dead in days, reports they are already out of food/fuel and if this convoy gets taken out it could let Ukraine start pushing back.

Both sides are quite clearly holding back and I've seen no evidence of the TOS-1A being used so far. As soon as they use a weapon like that and what little munitions come with it, it's fair game for Russia to unleash all they have.
 
Does anyone on here remember back to the 80's when the Cold War was still going strong? Were Russia as confrontational, bullish and just plain deluded back then? I'm guessing reporting would be a lot different and much much less access to information.
I was too young to have taken much notice back then. I do remember being aware of Russia's nuclear weapons back then, and that they were very very bad. Being so young when I learned about them, it meant little to me though.


Yeah I grew up in that era, was a young teen watching the news about the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Storming of Ceausescu's Palace by civilians with AK47s, the fall of the Soviet Union, all of it crystal clear. I paid very close attention to it. Was always dubious about EU expanding so far east as Russia were always likely to want some revenge for lost territory.

Also this goes back a lot further to WW2 and Germany invading Russia, this is based on some old revenge from very old conflicts. Putin mentions it as much multiple times in his recent statement regarding this invasion of Ukraine.

In the 80's Russia were scary in terms of their govt but anyone visiting Russia would report that people loved the Western way of life and were good people, same as now mostly, but then had barely any decent goods, people would leave Levis jeans and Western music for the Russians they'd visit. A genius like the creator of Tetris couldn't make any money from their state owned creations. Reports of lifestyle at the time was barren stores and few, if any luxury goods. A far cry from the soft capitalism they adopted since then.

But they now have a complete idiot in charge who has guaranteed his own destruction. He could have carried on for 20 years if he hadn't committed this invasion. Men like Gorbachev were more reasonable with a lot more at stake.

Two sides to everything, but this will harm innocent Russians as much as anyone else, once more their people will arguably suffer the most of all due to their leaders.
 
This^^ He would basically be signing the death certificates of his children and family. Maybe they don't die in the nuclear exchange but Russian cities are turned to glass, if the radiation doesn't get them disease and famine probably would. Those billions of $ he's stolen will be worthless. Also I just don't see the military following through on a launch order if Russia isn't being attacked. They've all got families as well. Far easier to remove Putin from power than authorise the end of the world.

Hence why he has sent them to a nuclear underground bunker.....

But I do agree, I think someone would step up before it came to that.

BBCs take on that last part though:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60551140

If Vladimir Putin did choose a nuclear option, would anyone in his close circle try to dissuade him? Or stop him?

"Russia's political elites are never with the people," says Nobel laureate Dmitry Muratov. "They always take the side of the ruler."

And in Vladimir Putin's Russia the ruler is all-powerful. This is a country with few checks and balances; it's the Kremlin that calls the shots.

"No one is ready to stand up to Putin," says Pavel Felgenhauer. "We're in a dangerous spot."
 
If there are not any threads or there isn't any outrage then doesn't it also prove his point ?
Also isn't this a bit off-topic since the discussion is meant to be about the situation in Ukraine
There are threads, asking where his are and if his contributions are as numerous as in this one? If not he’s being hypocritical.
It being off topic was also exactly my point.

We all know there are other awful conflicts going on in the world. He seems to think because we’re more worried about a huge war in Europe involving Russia and potentially NATO that we’re morally bankrupt. I find that frankly offensive
 
Yes, they still need to import to meet demand, they are unable to produce enough at home.

The original point was the US has not invaded because they don't need the oil, this is not true, they pay to import a lot of oil.


That isn't true, because they export as much as they import. It is just chesper to import from dome countries and export to others. They don't have import much oil at all
 
People saying zoom in on the map plans to take Moldova? I dont know about all that stuff so will leave it to an expert here.

I could be wrong but I think that's the Russian recognised state of Transnistria (basically a breakaway part of Moldova)

My knowledge on this though is entirely based on Bald & Bankrupt's videos mind so questionable at best
 
Ukraine Defence Intelligence: There Are Approximately 300 Belarusian Tanks Along the Belarussian-Ukrainian Border.
Ukraine Defence Intelligence: Russia Is Preparing a Premeditated Provocation in Order to Justify the Entry of Belarussian Troops Into the Conflict.
Ukraine’s President Zelensky: I Have Spoken to Biden, the American Leadership on Anti-Russian Sanctions and Defense Assistance to Ukraine Was Discussed.

Source:
https://twitter.com/JonathanLanday/status/1498704992605253633

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1498707594072010757



 
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