Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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i must admit, whilst i'm aware of the term "thermobaric" as it applies to munitions, this past week is the first time i've heard of them being called vacumn bombs.
There are old results about vacuum bombs being used in syria from way back like 2000 even.

but it seems to have been a term that never caught on and seems to only ever have been when Russia used them..
seems the daisy cutter bombs american used arent "vacuum bombs" although I see a load of articles saying it's the same technology, which seems weird.
maybe it uses solid explosives but achieves the same effect because of how much oxygen the blast will suck in.

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This is quite amazing. Their country is being bulldozed by these guys, yet the people tend to them and provide food. We really could learn a lot about compassion from these people. We are literally making it illegal to seek asylum, and these people are sharing what little they have with the invading force.

I've been to Ukraine, and I have family there (Unfortunately, they are estranged and I have no way of contacting them), and the people are incredibly kind and hospitable. It's cliche, but true.

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Edit - How the hell do you embed?!
amazingly they managed to capture all 3 in a single photo ;)

wasn't there some rule where your not supposed to parade captives etc on TV? seems we thought poorly of saddam etc when they did the same.

all these soldiers that get put in the press can likely never return home until Putin is gone now, straight to Siberia for them, maybe their families are even put in danger now
 
When Putin finally takes Ukraine and occupies it, it will drag on for a long time.

How long do we keep the crippling sanctions that will be ruining innocent Russians lives? At what point do we start realising we could be causing a poverty and humanitarian crisis in Russia?

Putin is the cause of the sanctions. He chose to invade Ukraine and, if he chooses to stay there, HE will also be choosing the sanctions.
 
A really good video that explains everything and why it is happening.

It's pretty good.

He does keep on blaming Obama though. Caught with his pants down on February the 22nd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=1925s

There's probably a lot of truth in what he's saying about How Putin would rather wreck Ukraine than have it fall into the West. Putin's leaked victory speech also alludes to this.
 
When Putin finally takes Ukraine and occupies it, it will drag on for a long time.

How long do we keep the crippling sanctions that will be ruining innocent Russians lives? At what point do we start realising we could be causing a poverty and humanitarian crisis in Russia?

It's likely the sanctions will be in place for years. I do sympathise with the people of Russia who are basically going to be living in similar conditions to a 3rd world country by the end of the year. But it's not our place to change their regime, they have to do that from within.

Sanctions MUST be tough or there would be no point having them - One of Putins biggest mistakes with this war was assuming soft sanctions from the west.

It also terrifies countries like China who have been threatening to invade Taiwan for years - knowing that if the majority of developed nations could agree on worldwide sanctions which would destroy the Chinese economy in the same way that Russia is currently facing.

Punishing the people of Germany didn't work out well after WW1.

The west may not be able to interfere militarily but we could play Russia at some of its own game with cyber attacks. I believe Anonymous managed to take over a Russian TV network for a time, more actions like that where they broadcast the real damage the Russian military is inflicting on Ukraine could help cast doubts on what state tv is telling them.

Oh you can certainly bet that cyber warfare will be going on right now. The only thing is you never hear of cyber attacks until they're successful, and have impacted something critical.
 

Scenes like this in a lot of places Ukraine going to take years to rebuild.

Literally makes my bloody boil so much! How is fair that a country is getting totally flattened like this? Christ, we had a bridge replaced in our town last year and it took months. It's going to take years to rebuild things, so so sad :( This is what I don't get about war, you end up winning land but with absolutely nothing on it, all destroyed. Soooo pointless
 
Comprehension failure for me here.

When Lavrov says “There is no alternative to sanctions other than WW3” is that another threat if we go any further than sanctions, it will all kick off?
 
Because he was forced into action in Ukraine as threats were not sufficient to get the concessions and agreements he wanted. Therefore he escalated to direct action, Luhansk and Donetsk are merely a convenient 'reason' for his 'necessary' invasion of Ukraine. If they government wouldn't comply under direct threat then direct action was necessary and this was/is being sought by way of regime change.

He would have then got the government of Ukraine to agree to his demands, will have got the added buffer of Luhansk, Donetsk and that would have been it. This was never some precursor for attacking NATO or anyone else, but simply yo protect the Russian racket. He needs buffer countries and borders to do so, can't have Russian population looking at comparative prosperity and democratic nirvana across direct borders or him and the Russian overlords would be finished. The uprising and enlightenment that was being realised in Ukraine is what they feared, not NATO which is simply a vehicle for his 'the enemy' propaganda.

Yeah, I agree, but also think it goes further than this. He wants control of Ukraine and it's not just political pragmatism that necessitates this for him. He views it as Russian province with a Russian people living there and sees it as an historical affront to Russia that other states are influencing their political destiny. There's no reason why he should think any differently about Lithuania, Moldova, Latvia either.
 
I'm not convinced that its that much better if you are just doing it in the shadows. What Russia is doing is awful and is directly killing people but is it any better to be killing people and ruining their future and quality of life via more covert means than direct ones?

Somewhat off topic I guess but IMO it doesn't matter how you get somewhere if the outcome is the same. America has meddled in so many countries that anyone who thinks America (and the UK etc) aren't just as bad as anyone else needs their head checking.

While I wouldnt want to excuse some of the actions of America over the last few years, a lot of people keep thinking Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya are somehow comparable to this situation, theyre not even close.

When was the last time America or Britain tried to annex another state?
 
So, Russian state news agency RIA Novosti accidentally published their victory article a couple of days ago, it's "interesting" reading:

A new world is being born before our eyes. Russia's military operation in Ukraine has ushered in a new era - and in three dimensions at once. And of course, in the fourth, internal Russian. Here begins a new period both in ideology and in the very model of our socio-economic system - but this is worth talking about separately a little later.

Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave the solution of the Ukrainian question to future generations. After all, the need to solve it would always remain the main problem for Russia - for two key reasons. And the issue of national security, that is, the creation of anti-Russia from Ukraine and an outpost for the West to put pressure on us, is only the second most important among them.

The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliation - when the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine." Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decade - recoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum.

Now this problem is gone - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. In what borders, in what form will the alliance with Russia be fixed (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus )? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.

And here begins the second dimension of the coming new era - it concerns Russia's relations with the West. Not even Russia, but the Russian world, that is, three states, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, acting in geopolitical terms as a single whole. These relations have entered a new stage - the West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe . And he is loudly indignant at this, although in the depths of his soul he must admit to himself that it could not be otherwise.

Did someone in the old European capitals, in Paris and Berlin , seriously believe that Moscow would give up Kiev ? That the Russians will forever be a divided people? And at the same time when Europe is uniting, when the German and French elites are trying to seize control of European integration from the Anglo-Saxons and assemble a united Europe? Forgetting that the unification of Europe became possible only thanks to the unification of Germany, which happened according to the good Russian (albeit not very smart) will. To swipe after that also on Russian lands is not even the height of ingratitude, but of geopolitical stupidity. The West as a whole, and even more so Europe in particular, did not have the strength to keep Ukraine in its sphere of influence, and even more so to take Ukraine for itself. In order not to understand this, one had to be just geopolitical fools.

More precisely, there was only one option: to bet on the further collapse of Russia, that is, the Russian Federation. But the fact that it did not work should have been clear twenty years ago. And already fifteen years ago, after Putin's Munich speech, even the deaf could hear - Russia is returning.

Now the West is trying to punish Russia for the fact that it returned, for not justifying its plans to profit at its expense, for not allowing the expansion of the western space to the east. Seeking to punish us, the West thinks that relations with it are of vital importance to us. But this has not been the case for a long time - the world has changed, and this is well understood not only by Europeans, but also by the Anglo-Saxons who rule the West. No amount of Western pressure on Russia will lead to anything. Losses from the sublimation of confrontation will be on both sides, but Russia is ready for them morally and geopolitically. But for the West itself, an increase in the degree of confrontation incurs huge costs - and the main ones are not at all economic.

Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomy - the German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as well — in case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of mavity is moving.

But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence - not to mention the fact that in the same way Europe is trying to impose a break with China . If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern borders - realizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any case - but various options for its future are still possible.

Because the construction of a new world order - and this is the third dimension of current events - is accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a reality - the operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly well - this is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.

China and India , Latin America and Africa , the Islamic world and Southeast Asia - no one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not) - but not on its terms and not according to its rules.​

Via here. Putin will be howling at the moon next.

Anglo-Saxons is the reference to the UK, US and the other English speaking nations.
 
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