Road Cycling

Sounds just like a bonk, just an extended one over the period you where stopped that didn't really 'hit home' until you went to move again. The light headed/wobbly/disassociation sounds more like a blood sugar related issue. The energy block was just consumed and any energy boost generally had eased off before you rode. It topped your depleted system/sugars up, but they where still really low when you resumed your ride. Also that long a stop, I don't know the sciences of it, but you body had entered 'recovery mode' and was using it's energy for that, taking it a while to switch back over to riding (along with the extra food which helped it).

I don't think it was a bonk, unless I did some kind of bonk while I was stationary and I'd passed through to the next stage by the time I set off :cry: I think the rest of your explanation makes sense and is along the lines of what I was thinking. I thought maybe I'd Google what a bonk was, Wikipedia says

In endurance sports such as road cycling and long-distance running, hitting the wall or the bonk is a condition of sudden fatigue and loss of energy which is caused by the depletion of glycogen stores in the liver and muscles. Milder instances can be remedied by brief rest and the ingestion of food or drinks containing carbohydrates. The condition can usually be avoided by ensuring that glycogen levels are high when the exercise begins, maintaining glucose levels during exercise by eating or drinking carbohydrate-rich substances, or by reducing exercise intensity.

I've had that twice before. Not nice. This was not it though. It was almost the opposite of that, I kind of had no feeling in my legs at all. I should have stabbed my thigh to see if I felt it :cry:

Might be quite interested in trying out SYSTM if anyone ever spots a free month/intro deal.

It's annoying, they used to do a referral scheme, I tried to use it a year ago and when I contacted them about it not working, it vanished shortly after :( You know you get 14 days free, when you sign up?

I quite like the plans they have and they seem to be adding a reasonable about every month or so, too.
 
How a simple task go's wrong -
replacing chain on 6 speed freewheel commuter, decided to remove the freewheel to apply some lube,
as I unscrewed freewheel with skewer & tool attached, found the axle was actually fractured inside the freewheel side cone,
I don't know if I somehow did that removing freewheel, or if it had been there already amazing that skewer had held it together ?

so took the hub apart and cleaned it all up, now I had thought that a 10x135 axle was designed for rear drop out of 135, so would be 146ish in length
and expected to have to cut it down for the 126 my old bike has,
but it turned aup and was a genuine 135mm length - lol
Also learned that cyclo, a brand I respect for tools, are actually cyclo-weldtite, a brand I have less respect for,
seller advertised it (dishonestly for me) as cyclo but the packet said weldtite.
 
How a simple task go's wrong -
replacing chain on 6 speed freewheel commuter, decided to remove the freewheel to apply some lube,
as I unscrewed freewheel with skewer & tool attached, found the axle was actually fractured inside the freewheel side cone,
I don't know if I somehow did that removing freewheel, or if it had been there already amazing that skewer had held it together ?

so took the hub apart and cleaned it all up, now I had thought that a 10x135 axle was designed for rear drop out of 135, so would be 146ish in length
and expected to have to cut it down for the 126 my old bike has,
but it turned aup and was a genuine 135mm length - lol
Also learned that cyclo, a brand I respect for tools, are actually cyclo-weldtite, a brand I have less respect for,
seller advertised it (dishonestly for me) as cyclo but the packet said weldtite.

I had a power tap axle break in two and the axle/drop outs held it mostly together, there was some rubbing as if it was out of true but rideable!
 
My bike's in for a service at the moment, apparently another new chain and cassette is needed! (Chain I was half expecting, I told them to leave it as I will do it myself) Cassette I'm a little surprised as it's only 6 months old. The point of me changing chains more often (1,500 miles) was the hope my cassette would last longer... doesn't seem to have worked :cry: (It's an 11 speed 105 and has done 3,000 miles.)

I'm thinking maybe I need to just service it myself in the future. Force myself to learn any new bits... get better at recognising wear and tear on the drive chain. I have a cheap work stand though, the bike wobbles all around the place. I think I'd prefer something like the Tacx Spider Team Workstand. Any thoughts? The reviews comment that it's still more of a travel stand. How much would I be looking at for a more sturdy stand?
 
I have the Feedback Sports sport mechanic stand and it’s pretty solid and less than the one you’re looking at. If you have a particularly heavy bike it may rotate around so the front wheel points downward but for a road bike it’s not a concern.

3000 miles sounds fair… maybe a bit low if you do keep it clean but not too bad to me…
 
I have a park pcs-9 - they are bullet proof - picked it up on amazon warehouse 4 years ago
- you can lock it rotating bike to any angle to access bottom bracket , cable guides. .....
looks like they have modified the design a bit now and added bracing struts on legs - I don't understand why? - I hang it by the nose on rafters in gararge roof
 
I've got the feedback sprint and it is mega! 3000 miles with regular chain changing seems ridiculous. I think I've got over 10k out of a couple of mine easy through keeping the chain in good nick!
 
I won't lie, I'm not great at keeping the drive chain clean :( I'm telling myself if I get a decent workstand I'll take better care of the bike :cry:

I've got the feedback sprint and it is mega!

Thanks, this looks like the type I'm thinking of. On sale right now too, also one on eBay ending tonight.
 
Yeah you're not helping yourself. Grab some of this. Bit on the chain post mucky rides leave couple of minutes. Little scrub with the brush and hose down and dry. Take you 5 mins.

https://biketart.com/products/fenwicks-foaming-bike-chain-cleaner

Then re-lube it once its dried.

@AndyCr15 1500 miles seems very low for a road bike cassette. Get yourself a chain checker for a few quid and you will be able to tell when the chain is worn and needs to be replaced.

Is the gear changing on the bike really bad and are you having issues? If not I would just ride it until you do and then replace chain, cassette and probably front chainrings as well.

As SoliD says, just a quick 5 minute clean after any grubby ride will keep it working in good condition for ages. Lets be fair here, people ride bikes for years that have never been cleaned, lubed or had anything done to them. Bikes are amazingly resilient things.
 
Yeah you're not helping yourself. Grab some of this. Bit on the chain post mucky rides leave couple of minutes. Little scrub with the brush and hose down and dry. Take you 5 mins.

as well as chain, since you need some detergent for the rest of the bike too, I'd like a more versatile & eco solution with some kind of portable foam mousse sprayer which you could use for frame/wheels, too. Ex neigbours used to use a 3l garden sprayer, but afaik, not with mousse for their bikes.
even something, banal, like below with some car autoglym polar spray say ? and then clasp a sponge around on the chain etc. before rinse.
Spear & Jackson 2LPAPS 2L Action Pressure Pump Sprayer
 
I'm sure there is no right answer with Zwift racing. I'm sure we can all be in agreement that we want to participate in challenging races with others of close performance, but with only 4 categories to place people in the difference in abilities from bottom to top of the class is too great and sitting in a race on your own isn't fun, nor is it spurring me on to perform better. Which is why I purchased a year of Systm when the trial finished. Anyone can sign up to 2 weeks without any restrictions, no need for credit card details either, which is what tempted me to give it a go. Hopefully between indoor training and the start of the spring/summer season outdoors I can return to Zwift in cat B as I haven't been this strong at the start of the year before (although the proof will be when I get outside next month!)
Totally agree with everything you've posted. To be honest I've always dipped in and out of racing. I always enjoyed it more than 'training plans' or training sessions, so if I felt I had time and wanted to improve fitness I'd generally choose races to do it rather than something more structured. I had 'fun' instead of feeling like 'training'.

When I was a 'low B' I lost so much motivation as so much of the riding was on my own. Especially in the less popular races, I was reluctant to drop down to C but when I did it was really one of the best things I did! Before then I'd taken my FTP tests at specific times for the best result and 'lost' a few virtual KG just to keep myself in B. But after dropping into C and getting back into racing - even as a medium C was great. The lockdown huge Zwift increase helped with that as just far more people to ride and race with wherever I went. I gained so much motivation, raced more, got so better and entered various popular race series, like TFC, FRR and ZRL, that I've since improved and am legitimately about to become a B again!

TFC 'mad mondays' are a good shout and I would recommend, they're run as a series but you can dip in and out as a solo rider. Each Cat has a split High+/Low- so technically there are 8 cats/pens. They're well administered too - I was feeling rubbish once and rode C- as a return ride, did a good sprint and even sitting out of the finish so I didn't dictate it, coming in 21st still got DQ'd! :cry::rolleyes:

My bike's in for a service at the moment, apparently another new chain and cassette is needed! (Chain I was half expecting, I told them to leave it as I will do it myself) Cassette I'm a little surprised as it's only 6 months old. The point of me changing chains more often (1,500 miles) was the hope my cassette would last longer... doesn't seem to have worked :cry: (It's an 11 speed 105 and has done 3,000 miles.)

I'm thinking maybe I need to just service it myself in the future. Force myself to learn any new bits... get better at recognising wear and tear on the drive chain. I have a cheap work stand though, the bike wobbles all around the place. I think I'd prefer something like the Tacx Spider Team Workstand. Any thoughts? The reviews comment that it's still more of a travel stand. How much would I be looking at for a more sturdy stand?
Bike shops like to suggest chains & cassettes. It's easy money for them! I had a friend tested this, he knew his chain needed changing, so put a new cassette on, rode it once and sent it in. LBS reported chain & cassette needing changing, even when he suggested the 'cassette was ok' they disagreed with him.

Sounds very low mileage. I went through a phase of over cleaning them, which increased the wear as I was regularly stripping the grease from the links and then likely riding it before enough of the lube had penetrated. I've slipped the other way now, barely even cleaning once a month over winter (but I generally sacrifice a chain to winter and change it as the weather changes in the spring and I ride outside more!)

A 'quick clean' can be spraying the chain with WD40 soaked into a rag. It cleans much of the 'outside' gunk off it, including the outside of the links. As it's a light oil penetrates the links to hopefully wash some grime out of there. Easily wipes 'clean' afterwards to then reapply lube, without waiting for any drying time. More a stop-gap when using a wet lube which has meant the chain gets utterly filthy and picks up everything looking black ('road gravy')m before you have the time for a proper chain cleaner/scrubber. You're not totally cleaning that crud away, but hopefully enough of it away from the links/teeth that it reduces wear.

I'm still using a £30 Jobsworth stand from P-X (like this one without the tray). Had it many years and wouldn't consider getting a 'better' one. Only gripe would be from it not quite having a wide enough base to when working at max height with the bike totally level it will want to tip forwards, but I've got a 11.5kg frame up there on it. They do a £30 now which might be ok as seems to have a maybe more expandable base with 4 legs. Certainly far cheaper than anything else you've linked, it does look like this one rebranded which you can get on Amazon, so might be some other deals on it.

But if I was wanting a firmer, solid, robust stand I'd go Park Tool, probably the PRS3 route and figure something to bolt into the floor I could slot it in & out of if I couldn't have a fixed setup.

The Feedback one looks amazing for a portable stand and I've seen them used on the roadside. But it's crazy money if you don't need a portable stand...!
 
Just to add to the above when spraying stuff like WD40 make sure you don't get it near anything where there is grease like BBs or rear hubs as it'll strip it away and you'll need to change those bearings way before they ever need to.
 
Bike shops like to suggest chains & cassettes. It's easy money for them! I had a friend tested this, he knew his chain needed changing, so put a new cassette on, rode it once and sent it in. LBS reported chain & cassette needing changing, even when he suggested the 'cassette was ok' they disagreed with him.
bought a new cassette and chain, chain broke on first ride, went to LBS to get new chain or quicklink.
They wouldn't sell me it without a cassette. told them to stick it and bought it online for half their price.

it's not online killing the LBS, it's LBS killing themselves.
 
That sounds like ********* being *********.

I actually tried a chain on a guys cassette yesterday and the cassette slipped, even with it showing fine on the chain checker. I had agreed to just fit his old one again to use through the winter rather than fitting a new chain and cassette to destroy in a few months.
 
Grab some of this.

Thanks, have added some, and the sponge, to my Wiggle whishlist.

@AndyCr15 1500 miles seems very low for a road bike cassette.

It's the chain at that. The cassette is at 3,000 miles.

Is the gear changing on the bike really bad and are you having issues?

Not at the moment. It got that bad in August, with only 3,000 miles on both and chain and the cassette. This is why I'm changing the chain more often, to try and lengthen the life of the cassette and chainring (thinking about it, it was the chainring that was slipping real bad then and that was probably at about 5,000 miles).

Bike shops like to suggest chains & cassettes.

To be fair to them (and my local club always recommend this place, so I think they have a rep for being reasonably fair) when I picked the bike up, the mechanic said he'd not changed either, he was just telling the guy on the phone to me, to tell me it was getting close to needing replacing. Annoyingly, Wiggle don't have the Ultegra I have on at the moment, but then it's an 11-34 and I should be fine on the 11-32, so maybe I'll order one of those.
 
Just did my first ever FTP test, that was a horrible experience especially to get such a low number back! Going to do the 4 week FTP booster and hope I can get up to a somewhat credible number. :(:p

FTP was 206 and I currently weigh 82kg. Hopefully I can lose a bit of weight over the next few weeks if only to boost up my number! I started strong then looked at the time to see I had 15 minutes left. It turns out that when going for as hard as you think you're going, 20 minutes is a long time! My average watts dropped down significantly in the last 1/4. Live and learn for next time now!
 
Just did my first ever FTP test, that was a horrible experience especially to get such a low number back! Going to do the 4 week FTP booster and hope I can get up to a somewhat credible number. :(:p

FTP was 206 and I currently weigh 82kg. Hopefully I can lose a bit of weight over the next few weeks if only to boost up my number! I started strong then looked at the time to see I had 15 minutes left. It turns out that when going for as hard as you think you're going, 20 minutes is a long time! My average watts dropped down significantly in the last 1/4. Live and learn for next time now!

Mine is similar and I am at a similar weight to you. I haven't done an FTP test yet because i'm a big pansy but when you do a long enough ride it can adjust it for you.

I don't think I am ever going to get addicted to Zwift because its hard work and you don't get the reward of being in nature but it should be good for my general fitness. Very frustrating when I go up to surrey hill on the MTB and get knackered after a few hours.
 
Mine is similar and I am at a similar weight to you. I haven't done an FTP test yet because i'm a big pansy but when you do a long enough ride it can adjust it for you.

I don't think I am ever going to get addicted to Zwift because its hard work and you don't get the reward of being in nature but it should be good for my general fitness. Very frustrating when I go up to surrey hill on the MTB and get knackered after a few hours.

you'll probably find it's higher than that. My estimated based on a 20 minute ride was 187. On the test I managed to get 206. I think now knowing the test and hopefully being able to pace myself a bit better I'd be able to get a bit higher but not massively so. Hoping the 4 week course will get me around 220 then after that I'll probably do the 12 week course.

the game side of Zwift has sucked me right in. Seeing XP flash up on the screen is right up my alley!
 
Just did my first ever FTP test, that was a horrible experience especially to get such a low number back! Going to do the 4 week FTP booster and hope I can get up to a somewhat credible number. :(:p

FTP was 206 and I currently weigh 82kg. Hopefully I can lose a bit of weight over the next few weeks if only to boost up my number! I started strong then looked at the time to see I had 15 minutes left. It turns out that when going for as hard as you think you're going, 20 minutes is a long time! My average watts dropped down significantly in the last 1/4. Live and learn for next time now!
200+ I wouldn't describe as bad. It's certainly above what someone who doesn't excercise could do. It'll go up relatively quickly with regular training and decent rest.
 
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