Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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If it ends up similar to other campaigns, Russia usually say anyone left behind, after civilian evacuation, is instantly regarded as a hostile enemy combatent.

Isn't there a grey area with this, seeing as civilians are indeed being handed weapons and being brought in to the fight alongside military? In this specific case surely it makes the cause:effect relationship a bit blurry?
 
In this case to be with family I believe. I think that’s a good enough reason as did the Hone Sec I thought? As said, something is awry here on one of the sides.

Then if she's coming to be with family why has she been refused? We already know that's a get in free card.
 
Strange that the Ukrainian conflict has women and children as refugees, yet other migration that's forced onto us is 99% young angry males. How very odd.

* the men are mostly remaining behind to fight
* unlike Africa, Central Asia & the Middle East, the travel distance is far shorter & the environment far safer for women & children

Ukrainian refugees only need to reach the border of their own country to find asylum with a friendly European neighbour. Syrians, Africans & Afghans don't have that luxury.
 
If we assume that then why not stay in Poland or another neighbouring country. They said a lot of Ukrainians would be more comfortable settling in the neighbouring countries due to cultural alignment. I guess it will just come down to making an exception or not and these things aren’t quick.

Indeed, 1.5Million refugees it would appear.
We've taken 10. Well done us.
Leading the world once again.
 
If it ends up similar to other campaigns, Russia usually say anyone left behind, after civilian evacuation, is instantly regarded as a hostile enemy combatent.

Yes, while ignoring the fact that a poor, car-less 75 year old man is going to find it nearly impossible to get transport out.

I do wonder what Russia will do with any non-ukrainian nationals found carrying arms. My guess is they may well be treated as terrorists.
 
Well they are not all full, so not sure what you mean by that.

One near me is barely 50% full.

Applied for a job there recently, just waiting to hear back.

Well there's clearly an issue as we're having to house asylum seekers in hotels and private accommodation. Additionally the centres are in apparently awful states, not fit for human habitation.. At least according to The Guardian.
 
Have they applied for asylum in the UK? Not trying to be awkward but there is always more to this than usually presented.

Yep, that's what I am trying to point out. I am not saying people should get accepted without question, but the usual suspects are instantly in with the "why not stop at Poland" rhetoric. If you were a refugee fleeing a war, would you travel thousands of miles through 4 or 5 other countries to get to the UK? My guess is not without a very, VERY good reason.

So it is most likely because some of these people have family or friends to offer help, stability, security and moral support in your time of need. Way better than sitting in a refugee camp with limited facilities and worth doing if you have the option.
 
Indeed, 1.5Million refugees it would appear.
We've taken 10. Well done us.
Leading the world once again.
As I mentioned in another post UK has setup a centre for processing applications in Poland. I’m sure there will be lots coming over through this system. This is probably the most efficient way for people to be processed.
 
Yep, that's what I am trying to point out. I am not saying people should get accepted without question, but the usual suspects are instantly in with the "why not stop at Poland" rhetoric. If you were a refugee fleeing a war, would you travel thousands of miles through 4 or 5 other countries to get to the UK? My guess is not without a very, VERY good reason.

So it is most likely because some of these people have family or friends to offer help, stability, security and moral support in your time of need. Way better than sitting in a refugee camp with limited facilities and worth doing if you have the option.

Weird...why do we end up with Africans and Asians heading here with no family or ties, according to your logic?
 
Pretty sure that's not how it works. In fact the European commission have a legal definition of safe country and that isn't it.

Where did he say "safe country"? Ironically I'm "pretty sure" you have not even had the decency to look up the actual law/rules on refugee/asylum. If you did you would not be using terms like "pretty sure".
 
So if she's safe in France...why does she need to leave France?

Has family here and probably understands English. If it were your mother/sister/wife where would you want her to be? With family or stuck in a country unable to speak the language for nobody knows how long?
Unbelievable I have to even ask that.
 
Yes, while ignoring the fact that a poor, car-less 75 year old man is going to find it nearly impossible to get transport out.

I do wonder what Russia will do with any non-ukrainian nationals found carrying arms. My guess is they may well be treated as terrorists.

They already claim the Ukrainians are Nazi terrorists anyway... so?
 
Not sure whether this has been posted already, but someone has done a good quality translation of that leaked FSB letter (some question over whether it is real or not, but it seems to be taken seriously by people I would think are credible), and it's well worth a read:


I'm increasingly convinced that not only can Russia not win this war but that it has already lost. Putin's goals are unachievable, the military costs mounting rapidly, and the economy in ruins. The question isn't whether Russia wins, it's how much of Ukraine it devastates before admitting defeat.
 
Weird...why do we end up with Africans and Asians heading here with no family or ties, according to your logic?

Take this how you want, but this demonstrates at least a subconcious level of xeonphobic racism on your behalf. Now before you go all defensive, why did you even need to say Africans and Asians at all, instead of just people?
 
Has family here and probably understands English. If it were your mother/sister/wife where would you want her to be? With family or stuck in a country unable to speak the language for nobody knows how long?
Unbelievable I have to even ask that.

It is unbelievable that you don't have the intelligence to come up with the answer for yourself...
Where's the evidence she's aiming to be with her close family? There is already a process in place for this and she's been rejected so clearly that isn't the case. She is in a safe country. Most French speak very good English.
 
Isn't there a grey area with this, seeing as civilians are indeed being handed weapons and being brought in to the fight alongside military? In this specific case surely it makes the cause:effect relationship a bit blurry?


I think it is more a case of once a free corridor has been setup and civilians allowed to leave, any left are not counted as civilians, they should have left when able, so once the heavy bombardment starts, no one should shout, what about innocent civilians in the area.

Well they had their chance, they didn't leave, so tough, there are no innnocent civilians left, Russia will say.

It has been the same rhetoric in previous battles in Syria, and Georgia etc. So I don't see it being different here.

And yes to an extent the arming of civilians has already meant, Russian attacks on residential areas can easily be countered by, well they shot at us first, we only shot back.

The reports will not say that of course, they will only show Russian shells and missiles hitting residential buildings, with zero context, such as an earlier gun battle from the building towards Russian soldiers on the steeet, who then just radio in for artillery support, as any army from any country would do.
 
Take this how you want, but this demonstrates at least a subconcious level of xeonphobic racism on your behalf. Now before you go all defensive, why did you even need to say Africans and Asians at all, instead of just people?

Lol. Because where have recent waves of asylum seekers in this country originated? Come on, use that grey matter you were provided with.
 
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