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iamtheoneneo said:
You don't agree with international law. This is not my opinion this is the legal requirement.
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He does not agree with international law, he will keep repeating the same comment until everyone else believes it, or ignores him.
It is clear he has absolutely no desire to check or look at the law, he just wishes to restate his opinion.
I wonder how well his boycott of Chinese and European products is going.
 
Destination said:
He does not agree with international law, he will keep repeating the same comment until everyone else believes it, or ignores him.
It is clear he has absolutely no desire to check or look at the law, he just wishes to restate his opinion.
I wonder how well his boycott of Chinese and European products is going.
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If others were boycotting China then they wouldn't be fuelling a tyrannical regime!
 
thenewoc said:
It's clearly deficient if it allows people to pick a country of their choice when they are already in a safe country.
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yes you clearly know better than the legal teams that constructed the laws around the movement of individuals around the globe.
Boy they sure were missing a trick when they forgot to hire you for your valuable opinions!
 
Uther said:
It'll be more luxuries like food for some, unless you live in a bubble and think everyone has £100 Sky packages to cut.
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Many can make savings in other ways such as lower cost mobile contracts, cooking from scratch / batch cooking, buying less clothes, cancelling gym membership etc.
 
Purgatory said:
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We have pestilence and we've currently got war. Death is just a hanger on who attends all the parties so we've just got famine left. Seeing the CEO of one of the largest fertiliser companys in the world on the news this morning, explaining that they get a lot of their resources from Russia and it's not if there's a food crisis this year just how big it will be, then I think we'll be seeing the 4th rider this year too as food yields get hit due to lack of ferts.
 
Rroff said:
I know several people who won't be able to afford to get to work if the fuel prices rise much above £2/l and/or other costs keep going up.
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Ngl, if the energy prices hit as hard as I am expecting, I'm going to have to beg my work to go full-time WFH as I will need to remove my commuting costs to balance out the energy increase.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
yes you clearly know better than the legal teams that constructing the laws around the movement of individuals around the globe.
Boy they sure were missing a trick when they forgot to hire you for your valuable opinions!
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You do get nobody is required to agree with laws, right? There's a difference between agreeing with something and observing something. In the same way I observe speed limits but don't agree with some of them. You're going on as if lawyers are some impartial and infallible divine entity. They're not. They make mistakes. They have bias. They have motives.
 
thenewoc said:
Many can make savings in other ways such as lower cost mobile contracts, cooking from scratch / batch cooking, buying less clothes, cancelling gym membership etc.
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And if they are already doing that?
Be interesting to see if Rishi sticks his hand in his (our) pocket in the budget, otherwise things are going to get ugly.
 
thenewoc said:
Many can make savings in other ways such as lower cost mobile contracts, cooking from scratch / batch cooking, buying less clothes, cancelling gym membership etc.
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What about lower paid earners? they are just scraping by. People are making choices to live without bear essentials
 
Dis86 said:
You do get nobody is required to agree with laws, right? There's a difference between agreeing with something and observing something. In the same way I observe speed limits but don't agree with some of them. You're going on as if lawyers are some impartial and infallible divine entity. They're not. They make mistakes. They have bias. They have motives.
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You are stating points I never claimed to make.
 
dave1983 said:
What about lower paid earners? they are just scraping by. People are making choices to live without bear essentials
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If all their income is going on rent / mortgage and food then they'll need some further assistance, either UC top up or some change to basic minimum wage.
 
Sankari said:
They mean nothing because they have no legal standing [...]

It would be entirely right to claim that the referendum wasn't legitimate, because the Ukrainian constitution does not allow different regions to hold referendums for the purpose of declaring independence. Such a referendum would be both illegal and unconstitutional. They'd have to change the constitution if they wanted the referendum to be legitimate.
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That might be true legally, but not morally imo.

Just making it illegal doesn't mean it's not legitimate for people in an area to seek independence and demonstrate that they want independence.

Many independence movements throughout history have involved shows of feeling and actions which may not have been legally legitimate (eg Ghandi's salt march), but were probably morally legitimate, and broadly should be respected.

I guess this is just a bit of a difference in opinion over the scale at which self determination is legitimate and under what circumstances laws are not legitimate, and given it's a hypothetical scenario we're probably not going to get anywhere talking about it in this thread :p
 
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